British Men’s Rightser to feminists: I will fight you until my dying breath! And so will my totally real ex-model girlfriend.
Sasha’s eloquent words, immortalized in ugly MRA poster form by Cloudiah of Artistry for Feminism. And Kittens.
Meet Sasha. Sasha is an angry young man living in England (allegedly), with a super-HAWT girlfriend (allegedly), and a lot of opinions about feminism (not-so-allegedly). The other day, he decided to share some of these opinions with the world. Or at least with any of those feminists who happened to be reading the Men’s Rights subreddit at the time.
In a topic devoted to a conference on “lad culture” in British universities, Sasha lashed out at feminists for what he sees as their hypocritical attack on boorish, sexist “lads.” Hypocritical, you see, because these very same women allegedly have sex with posh men all the bloody time:
You don’t like ‘lad culture’? My dear, I don’t give a fuck what you do and don’t like. … The hypocrisy is staggering - you’ll be dropping your knickers in a flash if a dashing Etonian invited you to the Bullingdon, but God forbid some working class fella gets a bit tipsy and sings a rugby song.
Naturally, he dismissed women’s accounts of harassment as stuff and nonsense:
You’ve been threatened with rape by fellow students ‘to loosen you up’? have you fuck, you lying toe tag. If you’re going to make shit up try to make it less fantastical why don’t you.
So in short my dear, fuck you and fuck the high horse you rode in on.
In a series of followup comments so angry that some of them were actually downvoted to zero by the Men’s Rights crowd — I know, right! — Sasha pranced about on his own high horse spewing misogynistic nonsense. First, he demanded that feminists take on the very serious gold-digging whore problem:
[A]re women inclined to be gold-digging whores? Unfortunately, there’s a good case for saying you are. I wouldn’t paint all of you with such a broad brush, but let’s put it simply: feminists - you’ve got to own this shit. There are many, many negative aspects of femininity, and you’ve got enough shit of your own to address before you start pointing fingers at anyone else.
Then he proclaimed feminists to be the equivalent of the racist English Defense League and the Klan.
You’re a bigot. You don’t understand that you’re a bigot, because like the EDL or the KKK you think that your status as a ‘persecuted group’ gives you the right to behave as vilely as possible. However be in no doubt as the depth of my utter disgust for you as a human being and for your ideology.
Oh, we be in no doubt.
You are a supporter of an ideology of hate. You are a feminist. You are, by definition, a fascistic narcissist who trades in lies, deceit and hatred. I will fight you until my dying breath and society would be better without you. That clear enough?
When a female Redditor pointed out that she herself had been catcalled on campus, he pulled out his trump card: his EX-MODEL GIRLFRIEND.
OK, well how do you explain the fact that my partner, who is an attractive 20-something American former fashion model attending a Northern English university, says that she has never, not once, ever, heard a single catcalling insult or ever felt threatened in any way whatsoever on her campus, or anywhere in the UK?
I faxed this comment of his to my fax girlfriend Kate Winslet, and she faxed back a message about what a lying loser she thought he was. Then we fax made out for a while until we ran out of toner.
Anyway, then Sasha yelled at his main critic for a bit:
You’re not a decent human being, you’re a feminist. You’re as vile and reprehensible as other bigots like the cunts in the Westborough Baptist Church, or Golden Dawn or the EDL or the KKK. Fuck you, fuck the family that raised you in such a cloud of ignorance and hatred, and fuck everything you stand for.
As for ‘helping men’, disparaging bigoted cunts like you is a key part of it.
Yes, that’s right. He called someone a “bigoted cunt,” without the slightest bit of self-awareness.
Then he took it a bit too far:
By the way, do you like cats? I know most feminists do. I like cats too. I’ll bet your cat thinks you’re a bigoted cunt as well.
Dude. Don’t EVEN go there.
NOTE: Thanks to Cloudiah and the AgainstMensRights subreddit for pointing me to Sasha’s oeuvre.
Posted on February 25, 2014, in antifeminism, are these guys 12 years old?, entitled babies, evil sexy ladies, evil women, excusing abuse, grandiosity, incoherent rage, irony alert, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, my hot girlfriend, oppressed men, reddit, sexual harassment and tagged anti-feminism, antifeminism, lad culture, men's rights, misogyny, MRA, reddit, sexual harassment. Bookmark the permalink. 454 Comments.
@Tracy,
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DDW’s spelling and grammar are appalling! Any poster designed by her would inevitably lead to a spelling mistake, and from there … GROUNDHOG DAY!
@titianblue
“This is not the sort of negative that you can’t prove. You have posited that grammar and spelling mistakes are uncommon in MRA posters.”
Actually I didn’t say that. I said they are not rampant, and they are not or it would be very obvious after looking at just a few. It certainly was not particularly obvious looking at David’s prior post.
“You go away and collect, for example, every MRA poster published on AVfM (every poster to ensure you’re not cherrypicking and biasing the sample). you check all the posters and see what percentage of them have grammatical or spelling errors. Either it’ll very few (i.e. uncommon) or it won’t (i.e not uncommon). Simples.”
Well now that you have narrowed it down from the universe in general to one list. Sure.
At the poster list for AVFM there are 40 posted listed with a link to additional 16. One link is bad bringing us to a sample of 55.
Out of those 55 I found 3 or 5 errors depending on how you count them.
1 had opressor instead of oppressor
1 had son’s instead of sons (which was corrected on a nearly identical poster)
3, which were the same poster with just one thing changed, had feminist instead of feminists
Hardly rampant ignorant errors, and none of them were your instead of you’re and certainly the person quoted here didn’t use your instead of you’re. This is an error rate under 10% which is probably very typical in any movement.
@brooks I was mistaken, Elam didn’t author the Iran article, a man named Ali did. Ali May indeed know something Iran but he makes some huge errors in thinking in the article even IF we assumed his facts were true.
I read them because one, knowing what people you have issue with are actually saying first-hand is better than second-hand, and I engage on these issues. I wasn’t aware of them until someone brought them up a few years ago. Additionally when I read them, I don’t trust their interpretation of what feminists are saying. I go to the source blog even if it is something I disagree with or ordinarily wouldn’t read.
Oh god, she’s still here.
Quick! Everyone start talking in Netspeak! Maybe that’ll do the job of getting her tedious, one-note ass out of here. Wh00s w1th m3?
Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh
That is the sound of parody going over DDW’s head.
Oray eway ouldcay useay igpay atinlay.
Well, DDW went and read the posters. Now if we tell her to go away, will she?
DDW, go away.
And who mentioned “rampant”? Your original comment about errors on MRA posters was:
Well now you know better. Slightly under 10% of the posters on probably the most mainstream MRA site have errors.
Really? You claim that any movement has around a 10% error rate on their posters? Citation needed! Check out the posters on any mainstream feminist site. See how many errors you find.
In case you wonder why I’m confident that feminist posters will be accurate? It’s because MRA shit-stains will leap on any error as proof that feminists are stupid and should be ignored. Feminists will have learnt by bitter experience to avoid the sort of errors that entitled and arrogant MRAs don’t bother to get right. So we mick them for their hypocrisy.
^= or “mock” them, even.
I forgot why this mattered. Are you gonna address your transmisogyny?
I have never seen someone talk so much about something so piffling.
…well, I mean, besides Brandon, NWO, and Tom Martin. But you know, BESIDES those gasbags. (Who DDW will never rival, however hard she tries.)
“In case you wonder why I’m confident that feminist posters will be accurate? It’s because MRA shit-stains will leap on any error as proof that feminists are stupid and should be ignored. Feminists will have learnt by bitter experience to avoid the sort of errors that entitled and arrogant MRAs don’t bother to get right. So we mick them for their hypocrisy.”
Wait I thought it was said that never happens or even if it did it doesn’t matter, because this was my original concern. Stories change, it appears. And yes I did say rampant to make a parody make sense. Otherwise it is nonsensical.
DDW: you dolt, the poster up top here was made by a feminist, yes, but is a parody of MRA…oh, fuck it. Your density is sucking us all in.
I am disappointed in the crop of assholes this year, guy. It seems the great Troll Drought of Manboobz continues…
Now, who wants to talk about fun things? I’m still recovering from a collapse, but come this March, I am going to be devoting myself to revamping my medieval fantasy with golems and no Roman Empire for a queer romance publisher!
I am very excited about this. What’s new and fun in everyone else’s lives?
(Except yours, DDW. I don’t need to hear more droning from you.)
@hellkell, yes, DDW is a black hole. Clearly they were a very large triangle until they degenerated to a point, hence the density.
LBT: not too much new and fun. We’re starting to gear up for moving to Seattle in July, we’ve had enough TX.
Hey DDW
MRAs frequently call for women to be raped, beaten and murdered. Elam says he would never vote guilty in a rape trial even when he knows the man is.
Why the fuck are you hung up on saying their grammar’s good, bad or indifferent?
Why do you bother interacting with them if you’re not a feMRA?
Why do you even claim to be a feminist when this troll bullshit is all you’re interested in?
You’re a liar and a troll. Go sit on a cactus.
LBT - fun things? Okay, I’ll tell about what I remembered from Home last night.
First off, Louis had the hungries and commented that he didn’t know why - “I have a stomach, I don’t know how it works, but it wants food.”
Me: Is that like Cat Logic?
Him ::gives stink-eye::
So we get dressed, go downstairs, he hurries into the kitchen to put breakfast on and I let the canine torrent out the front door. Then I think I’ll see where Miss Rochelle’s sleeping, on the off-chance she’s actually using the bed he made for her. Go into the workshop and sure enough, she’s curled up sound asleep in her velvet-lined box bed.
I go back into the kitchen and tell him, he goes wide-eyed, says “Mind my eggs” and dashes off to see for himself.
When he gets back we debate whether this is another twist of Feline Perversity. It probably is, especially since kitties win whatever they choose.
I wonder if DDW goes on these rants whenever zie sees “wat about teh menz!!1″
Also, dodged my question.
Early morning vomiting. The thing about holding your baby when your baby … releases is that it goes everywhere. The lymphadenitis is gone and the doctors said take her off the antibiotics, but she’s had GI distress since Tuesday, without a fever, so we think it’s side effects from a week on some really strong stuff.
But in better news, that play-by-email Savage Worlds pulp game launched last weekend and seems to be entertaining everybody. I am, meanwhile, second-guessing the design of my first adventure and constantly rewriting the bits we haven’t got to yet when I should be focusing on the second adventure.
Art, at some point, is set down somewhere and preserved. It’s never perfect, but it can achieve good enough.
RPGs are ephemeral and nobody is going to care if I mess it up as long as I don’t leave a gaping plot hole or railroad anybody, so I don’t know why I keep messing around with it.
I figure dungeons are so popular because they’re easier to write and they’re not expected to hang together with a plot and four or five acts, rising action, climax, denouement, all that shit. Yeah, there’s probably a monster in there that’s tougher than any of the others, but that’s about it.
Also, phat loots off the bosses.
Woo! Congrats on your move, hellkell! And that sounds like a good morning, Kittehs. Falconer, I didn’t understand any of that, but I got that you finished a thing, and that’s good!
Oh, by the way, I finally did the Shadowthon wrap-up post! Any of y’all who missed it can check out the stories conveniently listed here! There were also a couple sad story orphans; you can check those out here.
“Why do you even claim to be a feminist when this troll bullshit is all you’re interested in?”
I already said I am not a feminist.
Second, the question about interaction is meaningless. David interacts with them. So do I. Nothing requires being a FeMRA.
I didn’t make the claim about their bad grammar, that was the original claim here in comments, but as it turns out, theirs is pretty typical.
Anyone who calls for anyone to be raped, murderered etc is hideously morally retarded quite obviously.
LBT - it was!
I don’t know if we faced the wrath of Katie for having fried eggs instead of scrambled, though.
Could you not use slurs? It’s bad enough you’re already That Asshole, try not to make worse.
Hush, DDW, we’re talking about fun things now. You’re not fun.
And fried eggs are delicious, Kittehs. Maybe I should have some tonight… but there’s also leftover tortellini… curses! It’s so hard to choose!
^make it worse.
I missed a word, am I out of the feminist club now?
No, hellkell! You know she’s just going to keep droning on and on like a cicada! A BORING cicada!
Sorry. Wasn’t gonna let that bullshit pass.
LBT that is exciting!
I have decided this is the year I learn coding, so I can build stuff from scratch. Also, I finally did an unassisted chinup, and am trying a new recipe for gluten-free pastry!
Oh i got put in moderation because I quoted DDW’s “r*tarded” comment :/
The cicada comparison is apt for me, I’m into week 3 of the damn things being noisy outside.
Oooh, hellkell you’re moving so soon! Have you started looking for a place yet?
Congrats on the Shadowthon wrap-up, LBT — how’d you do?
Tracy, how are you going about learning coding?
Troll’s not a feminist, hangs out with misogynists while pretending to find misogyny a problem (hint: that’s part of being a feminist), drones on and on and on about nothing and adds to the list of slurs.
Fuck off, gobshite. Go hang out with your MRA mates.
LBT - Breakfast was fried eggs on bread with bacon and sausages. We usually have some variation on bacon and scrambled eggs. I prefer scrambled, and it’s easier to do Katie’s Plate that way. She got a spare egg for herself ‘cos otherwise she’d have shoved her nose into one of our plates and eaten the yolk. Shy she is not.
In before DDW defends use of ret*rd*d, as merely meaning delayed/held back. You used it as an adjective, not as a verb; in either case, not cool around here please and thank you.