As the worms turn: Men’s Rights subreddit mod now defends spamming Occidental College with false rape reports
Oh, Men’s Rightsers, can you just make up your minds? Only a couple of days after blaming trolls for the spamming of Occidental College’s rape reporting site with false accusations, rather than acknowledging it as the work of Men’s Rightsers in his own subreddit who were proudly encouraging and taking credit for it themselves, Men’s Rights subreddit mod sillymod is now defending the false rape reporting as “unpopular” but thought-provoking activism.
![sillymod 6 points 7 hours ago (13|7) First you have to believe that we did something wrong in order to want to get our reputation back. Sometimes people fighting for a cause are going to do something that is unpopular in order to make a statement. I don't think we do need to get our reputation back. I think the act stands for itself, and it will get people to stop and think. permalink source save give gold hide child comments [–]TheIdesOfLight [+20] 15 points 4 hours ago (22|7) So I guess that whole "We were trolled"/"It was SRS!" bullshit is off the table? You can't pass the buck and convince yourselves everyone else is guilty but you and now it's become an act of bravery? Wow. Yeah, watching you flip flop on this for the past three days has been both alarming and rewarding. You didn't make any kind of statement, Sillymod. The entire internet and media is sneering at you and you still can't just say WE DID A TERRIBLE THING. PERHAPS WE SHOULD REFLECT ON IT AS A WHOLE. permalink source save parent give gold [–]ninioquiroz 6 points 3 hours ago (12|6) No, because that would require a level of maturity and self-awareness that this "movement" clearly lacks. But, does anybody else think feminists are to blame for all the world's problems?](../../../../2013/12/sillymod2_w-604.png)
This whole exchange is worth reading — it continues on for a number of comments beyond this, with sillymod’s rationalizations becoming increasingly baroque. It’s extremely rare to see critical remarks like those from TheIdesOfLight actually get upvoted in the Men’s Rights subreddit. The Occidental College fiasco has divided the Men’s Rights subreddit like nothing I’ve ever seen before. Some are appalled by it; others are digging in their heels.
Speaking of which, here’s former subreddit mod Celda defending the false rape reports in much more straightforward terms than sillymod:
![Celda [-1] 5 points 18 hours ago (9|4) I agree that the subreddit deserves some responsibility for that. But - there was nothing wrong with those actions. I saw the news articles in which it says they were spammed with hundreds of reports, of being raped by fictional characters, accusing the staff of the Dean's Office (the form is run by the Dean's Office), etc. Those reports are non-harmful - and the goal of shutting down the online form is quite a laudable one. I am actually quite disgusted by the number of people who are defending the existence of an anonymous online form intended for reporting people as rapists.](../../../../2013/12/celda_w-604.png)
Elsewhere, Celda has called the false reporting “quite moral and laudable.”
Thanks to the AgainstMensRights subreddit — which, again, is not actually against rights for men, but against the reactionary clusterfuck that is the Men’s Rights movement — for keeping close track on all this.
Posted on December 20, 2013, in antifeminism, evil women, false accusations, harassment, internal debate, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, playing the victim, rape culture and tagged men's rights, misogyny, MRA, occidental college, rape, rape culture, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 210 Comments.
Oh, I just waved since I haven’t seen you around here in a while. Other folks here do the same thing all the time.
Ah, alright - cool. Dunno why I didn’t get that (I’m weird like that
)…
I did commented on another post some time back but, yeah, I haven’t been on here like I used to.
Hi again -
Thank you for your replies. You are right. I hadn’t realized this - but my comment could be taken as victim-blaming, or telling the victim to “shut up”. Never, in an infinity of years, would I want anyone to feel that way, especially from something that I said, so please forgive me.
And Ophelia especially - thank you for the kind words.
I think a lot of people are forgetting the charismatic leader part of how cults work. The only MRA hub that really fits that description is AVFM, and even there it’s more a matter of Elam seeming to want that than it actually happening. He sure seems like he’d love to have that much control over his followers, but I don’t think that he does.
But yeah, from the perspective of anyone who’s had to deal with an actual cult it does seem a bit insensitive to compare a group that encourages its members to believe asinine things and troll people on the internet to groups that often leave their members broke, completely socially isolated, and possibly dead.
“I have no problem with /b or with others attempting to bring down a system that is patently totalitarian. I’m not about to do it myself, but I have no problem with people who want to attack an anonymous reporting system on college rape any more than I would have a problem with people who protest against anonymous accusations of communism, lack of patriotism, lack of appropriate religious fervor and so on. We have a rule of law in this country, and to think that people can anonymously libel and defame others is grotesque. Yes, that anonymous system at Occidental deserves to be destroyed.”
It’s totalitarian now? And he made it clear he doesnt even think rape is a bad thing. Communism(in the red scare sense), patriotism, and religious faith are all fake and very opinionated ideas. Let me guess, he thinks rape victims shouldn’t care since “it’s just sex”.
“I don’t actually have a problem with MRAs making anonymous false rape claims. Go for it.. the context is anonymous .. means absolutely nothing. To be sure there would be all sorts of false claims made without any involvement of MRAs. The mechanism is completely useless and nothing but a tool to create other bogus stats on rape. Rape culture is nothing but a feminist creation and there is no bases for it in real life except for the brainwashing society is going through with “gender studies” IE feminism classes. Further.. generating anonymous rape stats denigrates the effect of real rape complaints.
MRAs should show no shame in exposing this vilifying mechanism against men. Further it kind of negates liability of the false rape claimer doesn’t it?”
I like how he thinks it’s all a feminist conspiracy, but the forms as made in response to the school not caring about rape victims and giving rapists a slap on the wrist. Dismissing rape is a huge part of rape culture. And again, how does an anonymous report for a survey effect “real rape complaints” or their “liability”(wtf??)?And for the 2938838th time, the form isn’t just for women reporting men. MRAs: Even when men admit to falsely accusing women on an egalitarian form, it’s still only women that falsely accuse men.
“They hate us because they cannot stop us and they cannot silence us. We are immune to feminist tactics. They no longer have dominance of discussion because online feelings are irrelevant. They can’t scream louder or cry to get sympathy.”
Keep screeching.
But the forms were* made…
@Rahu: Welcome. And yes, one does need to be rather extra careful around here about what one says or how one phrases things on this site, because if one wrong move is made, what you end up posting can end up coming across as something rather different than what you actually meant…..I had to learn the latter the hard way just recently(just so you know that you are not alone).
And also, don’t worry about that first post. We all make mistakes. =)
@saintnick86: And welcome back. =)
alternatesteve: you keep bringing that up, and it’s reading as kind of passive-aggressive.
@Hellkell: It was merely another piece of advice; this is the first time I’ve actually even *partly* referred to that particular thing, btw, and that was really only because it was relevant to the advice I was giving(that is, being more careful about what one says here than other places.). otherwise, it wouldn’t have been said. “Passive-aggressive”, it certainly wasn’t.
OK
“Now excuse me while I anonymously libel and defame Occidental, feminism, rape victims and women in general.”
Constantly going on about how super mega careful people need to be in commenting here because the mean meanies will be mean if you make one wrong move is unlikely to win friends and influence people. Just saying.
I guess we can add libel to the list of things these dudes don’t understand, along with freeze peach and censorship.
@Unimaginative: I didn’t see your particular comment until now, so I thought I’d comment on it:
“I’m going to disagree with you a little bit. I used to hang out a lot in a forum that was heavily moderated, and I had to be VERY careful when I commented there, and I fully expected to be chastised, often quite rudely, if I stepped out of bounds. I was careful there.
Here, I’m not careful, I’m thoughtful. I’ve started to pay attention to my use of ableist slurs, not because I’m More PC Than Thou, but now I know people here, and care about them, and I don’t want to hurt anyone through verbal laziness, or casual cruelty.
I’m not perfect, and I’ve fucked up and said hurtful and sometimes plain stupid things here, and I’ve been called out on them.
So I think it’s not about being extra careful how you phrase stuff, so much as pay attention when people call out what you’re saying, and be open to changing to a more compassionate and kind vernacular. Especially, don’t double-down on being an asshole.
Having thought about this, yeah, that does make sense, and I might as well be honest: I always do my best to be thoughtful, but my own biggest problem has mainly been that sometimes, I’m just not that good at really expressing myself. I’m not going to say that I haven’t made mistakes; I have, and there’s been times where I have had to walk back and apologize for stuff. It’s a problem I’ve been trying to overcome for years, and not without some setbacks. It’s not intended to be an excuse for the mistakes that have already occurred *here*, but I *do* mentionn this to provide a little background as to why I do mess up sometimes, because in quite a few(though not all) cases, this is the majority of the problem.
“The people here are very forgiving of ignorance and errors when displayed by people who show good faith. Show good faith.”
I’ve done my best to do just that, and it appears that most folks have been forgiving. So that’s a good sign, I think. =)
@Cassandra: Well, in any case, as I said, I really only brought the miscommunication incident just once, a few minutes ago, and I really wasn’t trying to accuse anybody of being outright mean at ay point. Sorry if I accidentally gave you that impression somehow.
Also, hellkell, I do apologize if I came across a little harshly in the last portion my reply to you. =(
@Cassandra: On a more related note:
“I guess we can add libel to the list of things these dudes don’t understand, along with freeze peach and censorship.”
I’ve noticed this with libertarians, too, btw, especially the Tea Party set. Do they not understand the concept of “My rights end where yours begin”, to paraphrase Oliver Wendell Holmes?
@ Steve
Nope, this is not the first time you’ve complained that people have to be super extra careful how they say things here.
How is that libel?
Does this mean everyone at r/mensrights should be arrested for libel since they say “feminazi” anonymously? Or for falsely reporting?
It’s so bizarre. “What we did was totally OK because when others do it it’s totally wrong”.
@Cassandra: OK, I see, you were referring to the few comments I’ve made to new users in general. Now I get it. In any case, I really hadn’t *intended* for such to be complaining or anything else other than advice; though under the circumstances, I think I understand(hopefully) why you got the opposite impression, and I do apologize for that as well. Perhaps those certain little things I wrote, as well intentioned as they may have been, were better left unsaid…..
@auggz: “Does this mean everyone at r/mensrights should be arrested for libel since they say “feminazi” anonymously? Or for falsely reporting?
It’s so bizarre. “What we did was totally OK because when others do it it’s totally wrong”.”
I agree with that 100%. It *is* fucking bizarre……but then again, such is par for the course for the “Men’s Rights” movement.
@alternativesteve, yeah, I’m still not convinced that the problem was limited to how you said what you said, and banging on about it makes me think you still don’t understand why people were upset.
I think they *meant* it as satire, but this is MRA satire. There was no difference between what they did and what they were trying to point out. It would be like Jonathan Swift actually eating a bunch of babies and being like “see? Eating babies is awful! *reads newspapers about how a baby eating serial killer is running around* Yay they’re getting my message/that wasn’t me!”
@Emily: I do wish I had been more careful, and yes, I do understand why some people got upset, and I did take the time to offer a *sincere* apology for making the mistakes that I made, and hopefully they won’t happen again.
Alright then. Now that *that’s* hopefully over with, here’s some cat GIFs for us to enjoy:
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@auggz: “I think they *meant* it as satire, but this is MRA satire. There was no difference between what they did and what they were trying to point out. It would be like Jonathan Swift actually eating a bunch of babies and being like “see? Eating babies is awful! *reads newspapers about how a baby eating serial killer is running around* Yay they’re getting my message/that wasn’t me!”
Yeah, agreed with that. =)
I needed earplugs just to read this. That high-pitched whine, that volume…it’s like a mosquito on steroids.
Also…that form they’re spamming is from four years ago, and they’ve just discovered it NOW? Nice to see they’re so on the ball…
As for the rest, that’s the purest projection I’ve ever seen. THEY no longer have “dominance of discussion” because evil, wicked feminists are pointing their shit out to them wherever they go. THEIR online feelings are irrelevant. And all this screaming and crying of theirs…well, I don’t need to tell you what it ain’t getting from me. These guys are such massive projectors, they should go work for Cineplex Odeon.
(And that’s not even counting the extreme irony of a reporting form that leads to no serious consequences being characterized as “totalitarian” and life-wrecking and man-feelings-hurting.)
@Bina: I honestly had to laugh & chuckle at that Cineplex Odeon joke…..that’s a good one! =)
Thank you, I’ll be here all week. >bows<
So who else notices this form is almost four years old… if this is such a tool for punishing men where are the actual harms it’s done?
@Pecunium: But the honest truth is, I think we can all agree that whatever the supposed harms towards men are, they exist solely in the minds of the MRAs.
@Pecunium: In case I wasn’t clear(and I apologize if not!), what I meant is, is that there’s really no actual harm that’s been done against men that we know of. And in fact, honestly, I believe the disciplinary actions offered by the college may not go far enough; one little essay isn’t going to deter *most* of those men who *are* inclined to rape & otherwise abuse women, I don’t think.
ok, call me stupid (I know I am slow sometimes), but the form is 4 years old and just now they decided to “take action” (for the lack of an expression)?? I don’t get it….
Btw, congratulations to Ophelia ^_^
Oh so their justification of their online hissy fit is now that it was all really satire? What is next? Are they going to try to tell everyone that the whole thing was a misinterpreted piece of existential guerrilla theater and that we just don’t get their artistry?
Congrats to Ophelia Monarch. Sounds like you had the perfect wedding day.
@ Alternative Steve I’ve never found that you need to be extra careful in your comments here, just think about them. It’s one of the best things about this blog. The only times I’ve ever thought “what were you thinking when you posted that?” is from the trolls. I’m not a regular poster. I’m usually too late to post & others have already said it better than me anyway.
@ Pecunium thanks for the response to my worries about my user name.
He’s right, you know. It’s all in the Motherfucking Journal of Goddamn Fucking Sciencey Shit.
I keep expecting to hear that explanation for the entire MRM, actually.
Rape isn’t a big deal to the MRM. It’s just a few minutes, get over it, you were asking for it anyway (goes the rationale). But rape accusations, now those are terrible and can RUIN SOMEONE’S LIFE. Like those poooor Steubenville football players, who now have to suffer from tarnished Google reputations and the possibility that some company might pass them over for hiring someday.
It just seems like such a douchey thing to whine about. The usual statistic you hear is that false rape accusations make up around 3-4% of all reported rapes. I wonder if that 3-4% includes victims who were later coerced or intimidated into dropping the charges?
@Buttercup: Yeah. Honestly, I seriously could not believe just how many people were willing to jump to the defense of the Steubenville football players, even after it was revealed that they’d taped the whole thing…..what is *wrong* with some people?!? SMHS(shaking my head, sadly).
Re Cult: It’s a complicated term, because it has technical meanings, social meanings, and colloquial meanings.
I do think there are elements of cultic thinking in the MRM (as with Randians), but it lacks the formal aspects needed to be a, “cult” in either the technical, or social, meanings.
Which would be hilarious, given how they freaked out over that stage production of the SCUM Manifesto (which itself wasn’t meant to be read literally, afaik).
Ugh, yes. I remember the time I described Kolkata as Kali’s “cult center” in casual conversation. A thousand floor Legos to whoever wrote Temple of Doom
Y’know, for the longest time, I tended to take the word “cult” literally when it wasn’t meant that way. E.g., hearing Dune called a “cult film”, back when there was all the buzz about Sting being in it, playing some lord or other. I read a review and was bewildered, as it didn’t sound like any cult I’d heard of (which, at the time, was Scientology, the Moonies, and the Krishnas, period). Later, when I understood that the metaphor was supposed to mean “story with a highly devoted fan following”, I still didn’t get it, as the whole story seemed opaque and unappealing to me. So it took me awhile to grasp the non-literal meanings of it.
To this day, I’m still nonplussed that anyone would say there’s a “Cult of Mac”, as there’s nothing slavish or irrational about liking a sleek, reliable computer that you just have to take out of the box, plug in and turn on to get it working. I don’t worship Steve Jobs, after all…I just like my friggin’ PowerBook. Is that so wrong???
Now, as for the cultishness of MRAs…I grant you they don’t have a charismatic leader, unless there’s something wildly compelling about grizzly old grumps that I’m unaware of. I think in their case, it’s more the dogma that’s seductive, rather than any single leader. And the fact that ranting, raving, and self-delusion are actively encouraged in that particular circle jerk. The wankier, the better, seems to be the unspoken motto.
“It just seems like such a douchey thing to whine about. The usual statistic you hear is that false rape accusations make up around 3-4% of all reported rapes. I wonder if that 3-4% includes victims who were later coerced or intimidated into dropping the charges?”
Eh, I’m inclined to guess not. Or at least not many. Because the FBI data, which is from police departments reporting their “unfounded” rape reports, is about twice that. And “unfounded” does include dropped charges, cops decided ere wasn’t enough evidence // no actual crime, etc.
What I don’t know is what percent of those false reports where honest mistakes — accidental wrong ID, a result of psychosis (contra, I have no idea what percent of not actually false reports are discounted because the victim is psychotic so it must be a delusion…it’s probably a lot higher), other cases where the victim honest to fucking goodness believed the person ze accused was zir rapist. And, while technically false reports, those aren’t wtf the MRM is one about when hey claim women INTENTIONALLY file false reports.
FTR, I firmly believe that the risk of a psychotic person reporting a crime that didn’t happen in no way at all excuses cops defaulting to assuming it didn’t. If it turns out in the course of a standard investigation that no crime occurred, it may get counted as a false report, by goddamnit it had better be treated like any other report. This is me having a small fit that crazy = cannot be believed because FFS I’m nuts, not lying (can you tell this is annoying me currently?)
Bina — mac lover high five! The laptop I got out of HS died thanks to the TSA, dropped it on a corner or something, I figured it was just cosmetic damage and booted it…fan was dead, burned out the CPU, left it as useful as a paperweight. Got stuck with a desktop PC for a bit, bought my MacBook Pro (I justified the cost as needing the real graphic card for games and design) — 7 years, one beer in the keyboard, one ass landing on it from some height, two crashes to the floor and a broken fan and SuperDrive later, it’s still my tank. Worth every penny. If that makes me a cultist, so fucking be it.
It’s so, so fucked-up how MRA:s believe that making a false rape report is something a woman would do for shits and giggles. Let’s say I’ve had a one-night-stand. Let’s say I wake up the next day and I’m all like “geez, what was I thinking, had sex with that guy?” and all embarrassed about it. What should I do?
1. Do nothing, be taunted a bit by my friends, and then everyone forgets about it, or
2. Make a false rape report, be relentlessly interrogated, be considered an evil lying bitch by lots of people, possibly having to appear at a trial where I will be even more blamed, and never ever be allowed to just forget about it?
Isn’t it quite obvious that even if we assume for the sake of argument that I’m a terribly egoist who care nothing about the poor guy, only about my own interests, number 1 is to prefer?
Someone might argue that if I come from a terribly conservative culture where it’s a huge no-no to have a one-night-stand or even to have sex before marriage I might have more of an incentive to lie, but I don’t think so, because those same cultures are always terribly victim-blaming when it comes to rape. In that case, I really ought to pretend at all costs that nothing sexual happened at all. Claim that the guy is lying if it comes to my family’s attention that he says he’s had sex with me, but hope that this never does get to their attention, and just say nothing at all in the first place. (There’s a reason there’s a market for “hymen plastic surgery”… wouldn’t exist if girls overall were willing to make false rape accusations when they regretted sex, and if this was an easy option for girls from conservative families.)
So really, it doesn’t make sense at all. It’s like men who go on about all these false rape accusations live in some alternate universe where a) rape accusations are always believed, and b) rape victims are celebrated and glorified, so that everyone has a reason to want to be one, or at least treated no differently at all from non-rape victims.
Maintainin a nice long crowbar away from the actual term and its formal meaning, there’s certainly something very unique about mac culture. Charismatic leader, obviously, and there’s a communal aspect to it that you don’t see with other technologies. I remember someone telling me how happy she felt whenever she saw someone with those white iPod earbuds and how they were all one big family.
@Steve, okay, for the record: I felt that your comment in the glossary thread was racist in terms of content, not choice of words, and nothing I have seen from you since has felt like a proper acknowledgment of how what you said was an issue. I also feel like you have gotten a pass on it, and yet you keep bringing it up in vague terms — and then when people start to talk about it, you dictate when that conversation is over by saying something like “now that we’re all done talking about that again” as if you were not the one who bright it up. Your whole deal is making me suuuuper uncomfortable.
I think I may have found a site, dadsrights.org, that’s focused on actual men’s rights rather than misogyny/antifeminism. It’s run by an attorney, so it does seem to be promoting his business interests as well, but still. I’ve only read from 12/11 to 12/21 (10 posts), so that’s a preliminary judgment. And actually, 12/11 talks about the Bode Miller case but doesn’t mention the problematic ruling that took place before the child’s birth-but OTOH, since that post is talking about current custody arrangements, that’s arguably beyond the scope of that post. The site is willing to at least sometimes criticize MRAs, judging by this post about Kate Winslet and Justice4Fathers.
@Katz: I always was a bit fascinated by “Mac culture” and all….I mean, it *is* true that
@closetpuritan: Yeah, this guy seems ok to me as well, but further investigation will probably be needed before we can determine for sure, though. Maybe Dave can look into them?
Whoops, I forgot to finish the Mac culture sentence….sorry, folks, I’m not feeling all that well right now. =(
Viscaria: exactly.
To clarify why I think that the MRM is cultic.
Many in the movement especially the leadership are manipulative, dysfunctional, abusive and irrational in their beliefs and interactions with others.
For a large part they maintain an in-group/out-group mentality
They tend to recruit the vulnerable and immature.
Scapegoating is a large part of their literature.
They ostracize any deviation from the party line and they tend to rewrite history and the facts to suit their worldview.
If that does not scream out “cultic” I do not know what will.
@Dvärghundspossen: Yeah, but then again, I doubt most of them would feel the same way if a woman was falsely accused of rape or some other form of sexual assault; they’d scream from the roof tops about “conspiracy” or whatnot…..
Squee!!! Someone used nonplussed correctly. It’s the little things that make me happy.
The way “cult” is equated with (usually, in the West) OT-obsessed groups, usually run by and for men, and with some charismatic and extremely domineering man at the head, seems a fairly recent usage, to me. It does have broader meanings - look at references to cult centres in ancient history and archaeology, where it’s simply about important centres of the cult of Isis, or Mithras, or whoever, or things like cult films. The sinister mind-control element is specific, and doesn’t - at least to me - mean the word’s off-limits in its older and broader senses.
Flippantly, I’d say Elam would qualify as a wannabe cult leader, not an actual one. He’s severely lacking the charisma, though he’s amply supplied with ego, and as was mentioned already, you can’t really run a cult through a website.
As for the “you have to be careful what you say here” - BULLSHIT. Crazyladyblues got it right: just be thoughtful. Also, yeah, I’m with Viscaria’s comments.
People get a lot more leeway here than on sites like Feministe or, gods forbid, Shakesville.
@kittehserf: “Crazyladyblues got it right: just be thoughtful.” I do try to be. Sometimes I mess up, though: I didn’t mean to come across as an ignorant buffoon back there, and yet, that’s what happened. And, again, I am truly sorry about that, and hopefully I won’t make those types of mistakes again. I really do value the community here(I hope I’m making sense); it’s why I first started following David’s blog, and why I started commenting on here.
On a separate note, I’d agree with you: re: Paul Elam.
An attempt to explain what’s with mac users, this excludes iPods since they’ve become the MP3 player — windows users, some of y’all, act like we’re these pretentious hipsters, and, realizing we have good tech and solid machines, we get a bit pissy about this. So when we see // know another mac user there’s a bit of a “ah, you get it!”
Not that mac users are oppressed or anything, but there’s a certain shared familiarity with people being jerks about mac users.
Kinda like with sports fan I guess. Even the Yankees // Red Soxs hate doesn’t really produce oppression (“doesn’t really” because it can get violent) — but there’s that “hey, you’re a fan of X too?! Awesome!”
Lol, or Emilie Autumn fans. Plague Rats unite! *rat claws*
Curious. I got the impression it was more “Oh, Windows, what a pile of rubbish compared with Mac” - but ::shrugs:: I couldn’t care less which people use. I started on Macs in the 1980s but have used Windows ever since, and don’t much care for using a different system when I do encounter it. It’s familiarity, that’s all. Plus, in the marine industry, hardly any software works with Macs. I do think Macs are markted as uber-cool and all that shit, and I don’t care for that, but I don’t associate the people actually using them with the company’s twaddle.
Dvarghundspossen said:
This. With all the shit rape victims go through, all the nasty rape myths, why would they think that large numbers of women would lie to bring that kind of scrutiny and disapproval and outright stupid down on themselves? It’s like thy live in some kind of fantasy world were a woman can point her finger at a man and “cry rape,” and that man is immediately clapped in irons and thrown into deep, dark dungeon for the rest of his life, while the woman is crowned queen for a day and thrown a ticker-tape parade.
It’s like, do they look outside their own front doors? Do they not see how the world works?
sparky - If MRAs ever figure out how the world works, would they even be MRAs?
Yup, that’s what I’m talking about. Windoze crashed on me all the time, the whole OS, every time I ever used it. With Macs, individual programs crash now and then, but the OS remains up and running fine. The only problem with them is that the software world has a prejudice against them, but then again, how much third-party software does one really need?
Bina - depends about the third-party software. If you’re sailing, f’rinst, and want GPS systems or navigation systems generally, then you are definitely going to need third-party stuff.
@ Bina: it gets worse when you find out how anthropologists use “cult”
@ argenti, in re Mac vs PC. I’ve used both & run mixed (including Linux) networks. it’s an OS, not a lifestyle.
on topic: MRAs, still doing it wrong!
Takshak — yeah, but it’s also a fandom, with all that entails.
Bina — you can run windows on the intel macs, a full native install that’ll run all programs for that version of windows (and the install is as easy as any windows install if you have a working SuperDrive, which I do not)
Whenever people start talking Mac versus Windows I always end up in “a pox on both your houses” mode. They’re just computers, most people really don’t care which kind you use unless it’s inconveniencing them in some way.
Thirding Viscaria.
I’m not surprised these fanatics did this. Anti-feminists are literally this militant and stupid, so engrossed in their hatred that they forget how the rest of the world views them.
@Cassandra: It’s a small part of the reason why I don’t stick to either.
@Felisha: Yeah, unfortunately, that seems to be quite true. And just when you think they’ve hit rockbottom, someone always manages to dig even deeper……and deeper……
Alice: Yeah, I guess they wouldn’t.
The damage that their way of thinking does gets to me, sometimes.
@alternatesteve90
I think some of them reached the magma levels, only to come out filled with even more hot rage, not carrying who they target anymore. They not only hate feminists, they hate women and anyone who is pro-feminist/women, mocking them with sexist remarks such as ‘mangina’. They get nasty when you so much as talk about women’s reproductive rights, especially how it’s being undermined here in the USA by republicans and influenced by religious groups. Their response is they either don’t believe in the war on women or start whining ‘What about MY reproductive rights?! Waaahhh!’
I just tell them, ‘Your condom is your reproductive right.’ Then wonder if they should stick it in their mouth like a pacifier just to stop their crying since they don’t seem to know how to put it on their dicks.