For A Voice for Men, and its Edmonton offshoot, terrifying women is a form of “human rights activism.”

Men's Rights Edmonton activist at work

Men’s Rights Edmonton activist at work

So the self-described “human rights activists” at A Voice for Men have found three more women to harass. Here’s the story, which for many of you will have a depressingly familiar ring:

Members of Men’s Rights Edmonton, a small group that is for all intents and purposes a local chapter of A Voice for Men, has been putting up pictures targeting Lise Gotell, the chair of women’s and gender studies at the University of Alberta. The pictures, which seem inspired by “Wanted” posters of yore, feature a large portrait of Gotell and the caption:

Theft isn’t black. Bank fraud isn’t Jewish. And rape isn’t male.

“Just because you’re paid to demonize men doesn’t mean rape is gendered. Don’t be that bigot.

Gotell’s crime? She was involved in what appears to have been a remarkably effective rape awareness campaign focusing on date rape and featuring the slogan “Don’t Be That Guy.”

A Voice for Men took exception to the campaign because, even thought it did deal with the male victims of rape, it didn’t devote equal time to the problem of evil, false-accusing “girls.” No, really. Men’s Rights Edmonton Activists put up “satirical” versions of the campaign’s posters with the slogan “Don’t Be that Girl.” Now, MR-E and AVFM, at least according to the “argument” advanced on their new poster, seem to be upset that the campaign didn’t devote equal time to the problem of female rapists. [Note: this paragraph has been corrected; see note at end of piece.]

Gotell spoke out against the posters, and now Men’s Rights Edmonton and AVFM are doing their best to smear her as a “bigot.” Because she doesn’t believe that women are responsible for half of all rapes.

Since this is not actually true — more on this in a later post — it’s hard to see how this makes her a bigot.

As a rule, I don’t support tearing down the posters of one’s ideological enemies. Free speech and all that. But these posters are different: they’re slanderous personal attacks designed to harass an individual. Were they posted in my neighborhood I would tear them down.

And evidently that’s what some people in Edmonton have been doing.

Indeed, one recent night, several members of Men’s Rights Edmonton claim to have caught two women doing just that. While they don’t seem to have video footage of the women tearing down the posters, the MRAs filmed themselves following the women down the street and angrily confronting them for this alleged crime.

They posted the video to YouTube, and AVFM posted it as well, under the typically overheated title “Men’s Rights Edmonton confronts fascists.” They screencapped images of both women from the video and announced their intention to uncover their personal information:

MR-E would like to know the names of these two women so that charges of destruction of property can be laid against them. Also, the world should know the identities of those who seek to silence and censor messages advocating for human rights.

Of course, this is ridiculous. Tearing down a poster that was almost certainly posted illegally in the first place isn’t “destruction of property.” No one is going to be prosecuted for this. The police have better things to do.

But of course that’s not the real intent here. The real intent here is to scare the shit out of these women and other feminists by exposing them to harassment online — like the woman labeled “Big Red” and countless other women who have been targeted by AVFM and other MRAs (sometimes completely erroneously).

AVFM’s Paul Elam gave the game away with an “editor’s note” added to the post:

[A] woman who vandalizes man’s property and then flips him off when he confronts her about it on a dark street at night only acts in this manner because she is certain she has absolutely nothing to fear. Feminists terrified of MHRAs? My ass.

Elam could not have made it any clearer: the main point of this kind of “activism” — which has become AVFM’s bread and butter — is all about intimidating women, not helping men.

AVFM, where terrifying individual women is “human rights activism.”

Here’s the appropriate response to that:

edmontonfingerPN

CORRECTION/CLARIFICATION: I rewrote the paragraph starting with “A Voice for Men took exception,” which confused AVRM/MR-E’s current objection to Gotell’s views with its original “argument” against the “Don’t Be That Guy” campaign.

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Posted on September 18, 2013, in a voice for men, antifeminism, doxing, drama kings, edmonton, entitled babies, evil women, harassment, imaginary backwards land, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, not-quite-explicit threats, not-quite-plausible deniability, oppressed white men, paul elam, playing the victim, rape, rape culture, taking pleasure in women's pain, the poster revolution has begun, things that aren't fascism and tagged , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 902 Comments.

  1. Poetry before dudebros (melting or otherwise)!

  2. Exactly! Poetry before dudebros!

    *writes furiously*
    *finishes*

    Now I am happy. *nod*

  3. As long as it’s not “poetry from dudebros”.

  4. CassandraSays - Dudebro poetry:

    Roses are red
    Violets are blue
    Your ladybrain won’t understand these words of FUCKING GOLD
    And I don’t give a shit about you and your unicorn pussy.

    *nod*

  5. “Which would need to be the case in order for someone to believe that a partner leaving them or a random woman they want to fuck saying no is the worst thing that could possibly happen.”

    One of these is not like the other. The latter is always a load of shit as “worst thing ever”, take a dose of deal with it. The former can be terrible depending the circumstances — when the gaslighting narcissist…ended…our relationship he took nearly all my friends and indirectly my job with him, and (in no small part thanks to him pushing that I could totally afford the apartment, he’d pay part of it!) got evicted.

    So yeah, the idea that getting dumped, full stop, is the worst thing EVARRR is a load of horse manure, but I’m really not okay saying that the end of a relationship being the worst thing that has happened to you means you’re privileged (I mean, you might be, but it’s also possible it wasn’t anything like a clean “you got dumped, deal with it”)

  6. Haha. I like Alice’s poem.

  7. I was totally going to make it rhyme, but then I said “screw it”. *nod*

    Dudebro poetry part deux:

    Roses are red
    Violets are blue
    I promise to fuck your shit up you feminists
    While fapping on the thought of you getting beat up.

  8. Roses are red
    Violets are blue
    I don’t have a girlfriend
    And it’s all feminism’s fault

  9. There should be a name for this new form of poetry. The Beat Fap Movement, maybe.

  10. Roses are red
    Violets are blue
    Women are so stupid and weak
    But they totally oppress men and won’t fuck me

  11. Roses are red
    Violets are blue
    Women run all the governments
    We know this because there are so few female world leaders

  12. haiku: Tom Martin

    men on hard chairs
    silent manly tears
    whores laugh

  13. Dudebro poetry part [number]:

    Vaginas are gross.
    I really hate women now!
    I am so lonely…

  14. MGTOW the poem

    Women are mean
    So I’m going my own way
    I really am! But later, after I’ve told them again that I’m going

  15. Roses are expensive
    Violets are mocked
    Men are disposable
    Women are stuck up, that’s why HB10s won’t fuck me

    (Well, this one isn’t so sensible, but it rhymes!)

    Mammoth blood is red
    My balls are blue
    Give me head
    And get a clue

    Fibinachi come play!

  16. Wait…Blackbloc thinks destroying art is a good idea and the only problem is it was destroyed for the wrong reason?

    Shall we follow it up with a nice book burning?

  17. grumpycatisagirl

    There once was a man from Nantucket
    Women like him or something
    Manginas can suck it.

  18. Only if they’re books BlackBloc disapproves of, presumably. Like, I dunno, the Gutenberg Bible, maybe?

    PUA poem:

    Roses are red, chicks who like them are sluts
    Violets are blue, chicks who like them play hard to get
    I am the hottest alpha dude
    I learned my moves from a book
    I’m shagging every night
    Which is why I have time to write endless internet screeds on how horrible women are

  19. Your poetry is all lovely (I quite like the Nantucket one) but I am much too discomfited with the art defacing thing. I take it rather personally because I worked in a conservation lab. When you’ve seen the work that goes into nursing these things back to life, it’s just unthinkable that people would wantonly destroy them because they disagreed with the message.

    But then, destruction is the easy path, isn’t it?

  20. @ katz

    Yeah, I’m still rather horrified by that too. Historical artwork is part of our shared heritage - destroying it in an attempt to make a political point leaves all of us poorer, from a cultural perspective. Plus, honestly, I feel like the jump from justifying the destruction of artwork for political purposes to hurting people for political purposes isn’t a big one, and historically speaking people who’re enthusiastic about the former usually can’t be trusted not to resort to the latter too.

  21. Seconding the above, katz, Cassandra.

    Plus, it gets personal: wtf have the Queen or the artist ever done to BlackBloc? That’s just petty mean-spiritedness, wanting to see her portrait defaced.

  22. “AVFM, where terrifying individual women is “human rights activism.””

    Funny how you’re applying to an emotional state to them that’s not apparent at all from the video. It’s almost as if you’re lying about your opponents to make them look bad.

  23. *applying an emotional state

  24. LOL nobody needs to do anything to make AVfM look bad. They do it all by themselves.

  25. The only think needed to make AVFM look bad is a link. Any link to their site will do, really.

  26. A few haiku style poems, powered by the neverending flow of tears from the covered eyes of privileged, entitled jackasses.

    Tearing down posters
    Threats of violence, rape and pain
    It’s truly the same

    Fine, I don’t need you
    I’m a fox and I hate grapes
    My own way I go

    Harassing women
    A great social activist
    Oops, I mean females

    And one specifically to Alex Reynard:

    The fact that they failed
    Attempted terrorism
    It’s still disgusting

    (No, seriously: just because the women weren’t actually terrified does not mean the original aim was not to terrify them. Failing to terrify people =/= Not intending to terrify people in the first place. But you keep telling yourself that only the outcome matters, not what you were intending to do.)

  27. Alex, are you really this obtuse or just pretending? Elam was complaining that they weren’t terrified. That’s the point of digging up their personal info and putting it online: to terrify/intimidate them.

  28. Defacing art, no. How do you even determine which art gets defaced?

  29. I was asleep, after a weird night. Waking up to this is amusing and pleasant.
    -

    My critical thinking skills
    are no match for these shills
    they use logic! And arguments
    all day
    So I’ve packed all my bags
    Gonna hit the road, jack
    off somewhere else far away

    “Fighting men with fighting ken
    are fighting on the internet!
    Again

    They’ve got anger and rage and feel stuck in this cage
    fury and power and manifestos hammered out by the hour
    The electrons shake, with all that rage
    Blogosphere is all alight in grimacing and pain
    and one day these fine fighting folk
    will fuck your shit up your whore
    be the greatest movement of the 21st century! NO JOKE

  30. There once was a man named Pierre,
    Who wished his life were free-er,
    Of MRA fucks,
    Who quack like sick ducks,
    And still make us retch in the sea air.

  31. Funny how you’re applying to an emotional state to them that’s not apparent at all from the video.

    Well… somebody clearly has no ability to read emotions. And also doesn’t seem to understand what “we want these women identified” means.

  32. @Alex,

    Just because someone shows hostility, doesn’t mean they aren’t afraid. Hostility is a common way to react to fear, like a fight or flight response. So I think those women were afraid, and that’s why they flipped him off.

    Now I want to make MRA poetry!

    Roses are red,
    Violets are blue,
    My ex wife took the kids, correctlyfalsely accused me of domestic violence, it’s all the feminist lawyer’s fault, and my kids won’t talk to me even though I took them to Disney Land once, and my ex wife replaced the tires on her car so I know she squanders the child support money, only the guys at the Spearhead understand my oppression.

  33. Sorry to jump in, I just caught up with all these posts (been at work) and how in the bloody blue blazes did a conversation about people tearing down posters turn into all that ugliness? That was horrible.

    You folks are awesome. Not the two vile twits, obviously; but, yeah. Way to take down appalling idiocy!

    And belated cheers and Internet hugs and good vibes to anyone who would want them.

    And, no, seriously, why on earth would anyone videotape someone tearing down a poster, follow them down a street, then post it on the Internet with the exhortation to publicly identify them? What the hell do you think that is going to accomplish?

  34. In Davenport,
    There was a court
    That said the child must go,
    To the mother (conniving ho),
    And far away from me.

    All I did
    Was blind the kid,
    And kill the bitch’s dog!
    I’ll shout and cry upon this blog:
    “This injustice cannot be!”

  35. There once was a man named Reynard,
    Who fought for men’s rights REALLY hard.
    By visiting a blog,
    Commenting like a rabid dog,
    Until manboobzers hoisted him on his own petard.

  36. I slaved in coal mines
    just to save you women from
    feminist icebergs

  37. I guess we’re supposed to be writing from the dudebro perspective, but I can’t seem to channel that kind of impotent rage this morning.

    And boo to defacing art (unless it’s ephemeral art, like posters, in which case it’s okay to be sad that it’s gone but get a fucking grip, dudes — if you want a poster to last, frame it and hang it somewhere secure).

  38. Oooh, how do you tell an iceberg is a feminist iceberg?

    When it spermjacks you and garnishes your wages for child support?

  39. Women are human.
    It’s not a hard concept.
    I learnt it at six,
    Still playing with plastic bricks.
    MRAs, it’s not that you’re not men,
    Nor beneath any respect,
    But deep in your minds you’re still boys.

  40. It’s good to know that all those times I put on a brave face while thinking I was terrified, I wasn’t actually terrified.

    I’ve been reading the youtube comments on this and they’re defending the use of words like “fascism,” “vandalism,” “dictator,” and “private property” to the death.

    So if tearing down a poster makes you a fascist dictator, isn’t insisting the poster remain up in a public place sort of the same thing? It’s funny how they’re treating these posters as if they’re a one of a kind, family heirloom, and not just a piece of paper which there are a hundred more copies of. MR-E couldn’t have simply put another copy up to replace the ones that were taken down. Oh no! They had to feign helplessness, as if these women had taken away all their future printing rights.

  41. It’s funny how they’re treating these posters as if they’re a one of a kind, family heirloom, and not just a piece of paper which there are a hundred more copies of. MR-E couldn’t have simply put another copy up to replace the ones that were taken down. Oh no! They had to feign helplessness, as if these women had taken away all their future printing rights.

    It’s almost as if they have a victim mentality, isn’t it? Which is funny, because they’re always telling us that we’re the ones with the victim mentality… it’s weird.

  42. @ Alice

    Thank you for making me laugh this afternoon. You have no idea how much I needed it. Very hilarious! :D & yes, I guess I am a FGTOW. Except, no MGTOW ever inspired me to do anything. & I’m pretty much already a recluse already.

  43. ^^^^

    Sorry for the redundant “already”. I’m very tired. :/

  44. I can’t imagine what it’s like this expend that much time and energy convincing yourself SMELLY POON is the worst thing ever and you need to hide from it because it’s coming to get you.

  45. Someone should spoof this but replace the OMG VAGINAS with sweaty balls.

  46. CassandraSays - You just gave me an idea… *rubs hands evilly*

  47. Also, wait, am I spoofing CIO’s thing? Because now I’m wondering what I’m doing… :P

  48. Wrong thread - I was thinking we should spoof the man who’s terrified of vaginas.

  49. “The men who fear vaginas” sounds like a spoof of “the men who stare at goats.”
    Fear of ladybits gives you ESP!!

  50. Actually I think fear of ladybits just gives you a really lonely life, full of anger and bitterness.

  51. Unless it stands for Extra Sexist Perception, in which case you may have a point.

  52. Okay, I’m working on the spoof right now. I’ll post said spoof on the appropriate thread when I’m done. *nod*

  53. Extreme Silliness and Pitiability *nod*

  54. Oooh, how do you tell an iceberg is a feminist iceberg?

    When it attacks a ship so all the wimmin and children will be saved and the MEN WILL BE LEFT TO DROWN OMG MISANDRY MATRIARCHY AAAAAHHHH

  55. I admit to having fantasized about defacing Confederate art monuments around here. But I suppose humanity would be better served by me writing things that they would never approve of.

  56. Feminists sank the Titanic!
    To spill good men’s blood they were frantic
    They feed on men’s pain
    and they suck out men’s brains!
    Guys, if you see a feminist, PANIC!

  57. There’s a bloke I see on the way to work sometimes, who wears a Confederate hat. I always feel like asking if he knows what it is, and if so, is he indifferent to its meaning, appallingly naive, harbouring a lifelong crush on Scarlett O’Hara/Vivien Leigh, or a racist. (He’d be in his sixties, there’s nothing to suggest hipster irony fail about him.)

  58. hippodameia, LOL!

    These poems should go into another Manboobz collection.

  59. “Guys, if you see a feminist, P-A:N(c)!”

    FTFY XD

  60. Argenti, you are BRILLIANT!!!

  61. ““Guys, if you see a feminist, P-A:N(c)!””

    ::dies::

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