MRA icon Zed: Let little girls drown, because they’ll probably grow up to be terrible women

What kind of monster will she become?
“Zed,” also known as “The Zen Priest,” was one of the originators of the Men Going Their Own Way “philosophy” and is treated as a wise elder by many longtime MRAs.
WF Price of The Spearhead described a compilation of Zed’s writings as “really quite profound as well as a great read” and used to give it out as a bonus for everyone who signed up for his email newsletter. Paul Elam of A Voice for Men laid it on a bit thicker, saying of the man he described as both a mentor and a friend:
[H]is writings have taken him to iconic status in the minds of many men who have been at this for a while, this writer included. This has happened despite the fact that he has eschewed the path of self promotion and opted to speak from behind the persona of an archetype, maybe because of it. Either way, he has wielded a sharp sword from his underworld den, and worn the uniform of a warrior in the battle for sanity between men and women … .
So what kind of fellow is this Zed?
Well, as I learned from a recent thread over on MGTOWforums.com, where he is officially an “elite member,” he’s the sort of person who thinks you should’t bother to save a four-year-old girl from drowning, because then she’ll grow up into a woman, and most of them are just terrible.
The regulars on the forums there were discussing the case of Michael Patterson, a Georgia man who was paralyzed after diving into a creek to rescue a four-year-old girl from drowning, and who has now died after several weeks in the hospital.
While a few suggested that Patterson was a hero, others made clear they wouldn’t have done the same thing themselves. 0kool put it like this:
i know i would never save an adult CUNT….and i know that as sure as i breathe air. however, i would be hard pressed to save a female child knowing what she might have the potential to do in the future. My hat’s off to the guy. Let’s hope his death isn’t in vain and the child doesn’t become a CUNT piece of shit!
Zed, that grand underground warrior for gender sanity, that icon of the Men’s Rights movement, argued the same thing in slightly more restrained prose. In one comment, he warned of the dire possibility that the seemingly innocent little girl you save could grow up to be
another Amanda Marcunt, or Jessica Valenti, or Betty Friedan? Do we think it is worth a man giving his own life to save the life of a woman who will spend it being totally destructive?
In another, he raised the specter of an even more hated figure, at least amongst MGTOWers and MRAs:
Given the evidence around me, it does appear far more likely that a girl will grow up to be another Sharon Osborne - who thinks it is “fantastic” when a woman cuts off the penis of her husband, or the audience of women who cheered that statement - than a woman who contributes much, even to her own family.
I really can’t think of any woman in the public light who the world would be much worse off without.
When a female is in trouble, if I don’t know her, I don’t see her.
This is the kind of timeless wisdom that makes you an icon in the Men’s Rights movement, I guess.
NOTE: Thanks to @taylerlp on Twitter for the tip.
EDITED TO ADD: When I wrote this post, there were 13 or so comments in the MGTOWforums thread; there are considerably more now, including a number from MGTOWers who say they WOULD try to save a little girl. But Zed only doubles down on his position.
Posted on June 29, 2013, in a voice for men, douchebaggery, evil women, facepalm, female beep boop, I'm totally being sarcastic, internal debate, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, MRA, paul elam, the c-word, zed and tagged antifeminism, men's rights, mgtow, misogyny, MRA. Bookmark the permalink. 359 Comments.
It’s the “well you don’t have to do X but if you don’t everyone will be disappointed and you’ll be ruining everyone else’s fun and people will think you’re a killjoy” aspect that I dislike. I hate it when people manipulate each other via social shaming.
Yeah, that was part of what made me so angry. Fine if people go there knowing that’s what’s up and are happy with it, but not when it’s imposed on someone. Definitely a consent thing. If I’d gone alone just wanting a meal and had seen that setup, I’d have walked out, but one can’t spoil the fun! Well, yes, I can.
That reply was to katz, btw, but yes, seconding what you just said, Cassandra.
Plus, fuckit - I was the guest, the overseas visitor, what the hell were they thinking? That’s not because it was *me* but because you especially don’t do that to guests.
Kittehs, that’s terrible! I can’t even believe there IS a restaurant like that.
There is - my mistake, it was Milwaukee, not Chicago. Same visit, I was getting the towns mixed up. It’s called The Safe House.
I’ve been to a theme restaurant here in the 90s - Cafe Crypt. Difference was they didn’t impose shit on the customers, it was just the setting (OTT Goth for laughs, natch).
I’d be so tempted to pull a “who are these people? I’m not with them” on someone who set me up like that.
My sister and I did once take our elderly mother to a drag-themed restaurant on Mother’s Day. In our defense, she picked the place. She read a review of it in the paper that was FULL of snarky coded references to what kind of restaurant it was, but she didn’t understand them and unfortunately neither my sister nor I read the review before going.
Not that there’s anything wrong with drag shows that serve dinner! It’s just that maybe they aren’t the best place to take my mother. On Mother’s Day.
Anyway, they were very nice, even though they must have been wondering what the hell we were doing there. On Mother’s Day.
cloudiah - whoops!
Cassandra - if it’d happened here in Melbourne, where I could get home, I’d have been sorely tempted. Couldn’t get away in Milwaukee, though.
@psychodan
That makes a lot more sense, though I was thinking the way spider from mars said it, which was men and women, so I was thinking the whole thing applied to adults.
@cassandrasays
I was only offered brains after the mad cow thing (became common? More heard of? whichever.) I was in a restaurant and our table was offered free samples of tongue, brain and guts, I think I chose guts but it’s been a while. /rambles. my main point is for my recent memory ‘no brains’ has been caused by that whole thing, and I’m rambling on it.
@bigmomma
I love spicy food too!
@kittehs
Me too. Especially in sausage. Either that or there’s more in sausage?
@pecunium
And…now I kind of want to try brains. That’s not something I thought I’d be in danger of saying.
@cassandrasays
That sounds really yummy. I should try it.