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Oh my god are we talking about Star Trek?
I have watched TNG and Voyager and I love them both but I think Voyager is my favourite.
I adore Captain Janeway with all my heart and soul and I also love B’ellana (angry women FTW) and Chakotey and Harry Kim.
I liked TNG, but the lack of decent main female characters always bothered me, Beverly Crusher and Deanna were good but it always felt like they were rather surplus to requirements and didn’t get the character development that the male characters did. Plus their roles and on the ships and their personalities felt a bit cliched.
But Voyager, you have to glory that is Janeway and then you have B’ellana, a mixed race woman who is a genius engineer and you have Tuvok, Chakotey and Harry Kim. There is quite literally only one main character in Voyager who is a white man and I found that so refreshing.
The only thing I think would have been better would have been to have a few more women of colour as characters, but I think B’ellana’s actress was a WOC.
I’m actually currently re-watching the whole of Voyager in order as I’ve previously only watched it when I’ve caught re-runs on TV.
Oh and I love 7 of 9, I really like the mother-daughter feel to the relationship between her and Janeway that develops.
Well, there’s a reason TNG gets exempted from the “Reset Button” criticisms. At the time, episodic storytelling was the norm. Common wisdom was that you wanted to get people into the show at any point, and be able to scramble the order of episodes in syndication. About the only shows to really dabble in story arcs were “Hill Street Blues” and “St. Elsewhere”.
By the late 90′s though, there was a strong trend towards connected story arcs, with Babylon 5, ER, and DS9 getting into the action. Voyager, People were getting a taste of the complex story arcs, and loved it. Voyager’s premise seemed tailor made for this kind of storytelling, so the fact that it didn’t engage in it when DS9 was with the Dominion War seemed like a lot of wasted potential.
Now, this probably isn’t a fair accusation, partly because many of the shows engaging in long-form storytelling were taking off AFTER Voyager was a couple seasons in, so it’s asking a lot of the production team to take that risk. They also may have felt that Voyager needed to be more of a “Classic Trek” format while DS9 was departing from the formula.
@Historiphilia: B’elanna’s actress, Roxann Dawson, is either hispanic or half-hispanic if memory serves me.
I also loved Janeway. She was tough and brave while not being traditionally “hot”, and that’s extremely rare for female characters, even today.
Btw, Ishka from DS9 has got to be the absolute nightmare of all MRA:s… She’s a feminist, she manages to convince her lover and leader of the planet of several of her ideas, she overall likes to barge into formerly exclusively male areas, and she looks like this: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ishka
Generally if the landing party is Kirk, McCoy, Spock (in one instance Sulu) and someone new, you know who’s not making it home (unless the new person is a woman, in which case she’ll be central to the plot).
There was the episode (the cubes) which violated that rule. It was shocking at the time (in part because they could conceal who died when it happened).
Oh, I forgot about the cubes one. Eh, it was a generalization anyway, and I maybe shouldn’t have made it.
@Red Scorpion,
LOL
For those who want in on the fun, the full run of all Star Trek series is available on Netflix, and many episodes (including the complete Original Series) are available to stream on startrek.com.
The TOS episodes on startrek.com appear to be in their original state. The series was re-aired beginning in 2006 with new visual effects, and those are the ones available on Netflix.
Dvärghundspossen, I thought she might well be hispanic.
Also yes, Janeway was a rare occurrence, I want more shows with middle aged women who get shit done!
Also she has cheekbones like woah.
Sentimental attachment to the original Star Trek, liked TNG and even got a bit into DS9, but never really connected with Voyager or Enterprise.
Yeah… I’ve watched too many reviews to give Janeway any points, and B’ellana was only used to be the angry woman, who either learns something or gets outraged… She is basically a retread of the angry black woman trope but because she was an alien the creators could get away with it. Mullgrew is a great actress, but Janeway is pretty illogical and does some shifty things… And yea, VOY had so much wasted potential, especially with the Military/Maquis aspect which would have made great conflict. I did like the lack of white men as the main cast, but like every Star Trek it fails with any queer issues…
My biggest thing about DS9 is that it’s not a “Trek” show. It’s a fantastic sci if show, but the departure from the utopia of trek that Roddenberry had took it out of the trek vision for me. To be honest, that departure definitely made the show richer, and I think it’s an amazing show, but it lacks my “trek” sense…
The comments thread is getting better on the post about how Dave is a big bad meany. Someone pointed out the URL is giving him the lie.
Which thread?
sittiekitty: It’s an MRA thread. Manboobz lies, and other nonsense
Spock finally loses his temper at McCoy over this in “All Our Yesterdays.” He grabs McCoy by the collar, jerks him to his feet, and says, “I don’t like that. I don’t think I ever have, but now I’m sure.”
Of course, at the time Spock is reverting to the state of his Vulcan ancestors 5,000 years before his time, because of Plot.
I’m sure it’s obvious to everyone that Spock represents or stands in for Kirk’s rationality and ability to make the hard choices, while McCoy represents or stands in for his emotions and his empathy. The series always states that acting without empathy is a Bad Thing.
Of course, never get Spock angry. You wouldn’t like him when he’s angry.