Feminists! Give up your misandry, accept that women are inferior, and oh, this MRA rant gets worse. Much worse.
Posted by David Futrelle

Whatever this kid is saying is guaranteed to be smarter and less offensive than Jacob Ian Stalk’s horrific rant
Cloudiah found this amazingly awful rant — from a prolific manosphere commenter and Spearhead supporter by the name of Jacob Ian Stalk — in the comments section to a piece on feminism in The Tab Oxford, a student paper. She posted it in the comments here on Man Boobz, where it’s already generated a good deal of discussion (see comments here, here, here, and here for starters). But I thought it deserved a post of its own.
So without further ado, I present Jacob Ian Stalk’s “12-Step Program for Recovering Feminists.”
Equality is equality. Feminism is about the unbridled pursuit of power for women. Got that?
Uh, no, actually, because it’s not true, but please continue.
The age of feminism is over, thankfully. The comments here that support feminism are from the rats that refuse to leave the sinking ship, thinking there’s sustenance still to be found there somewhere. Sorry to disappoint, but there is nothing nutritious left.
So the ship is sinking at the very moment it’s run out of food that rats can eat. That’s quite a coincidence! Or is it sinking because it ran out of food? Were the dudes on the ship using rat food to plug holes in the hull?
Men the world over are waking up to the damage wrought by rampant feminism and they’re shocked to realise it all happened while they were asleep. Well, they’re asleep no more. Bleat all you like about feminism being about this or that, but the truth of it’s evil is written all over the once noble institutions of the world and the wishful bleatings of solipsistic girl-children can’t erase it. It is done. The cailphate is establishing its power base once more and Sharia law is spreading.
Huh? Because of feminism? Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
Feminists have destroyed the family and have eschewed child-bearing in favour of credentialism and the illusion of success, killing their unborn children and robbing men of their will to be fathers and husbands. The laugh is on you, Western feminists, as Western birth rates have at last fallen below their replenishment rate and the Muslims are laughing all the way to the maternity wards.
Oh, dear, you got some racism in your misogyny. Two terrible tastes that taste worse together!
The best you can hope for, Western women, is to abandon feminism entirely. Abandon that idiotic notion of ‘equality’, as it will never happen. All it has earned you is the disrespect of men and an increasing number of women the world over. Feminism doesn’t make you strong. It doesn’t make you powerful. It doesn’t make you free. And it sure as hell doesn’t make you equal. It just makes you despicable.
Wait, weren’t you just complaining that feminism is about female supremacy? Now you’re admitting that it’s actually about equality – and you’re preaching male supremacy in its place?
Abandon feminism. Here’s a 12-step program for recovering feminists. There are others.
Ok, here we go.
1. Don’t be narcissistic. Never think you’re more important than men or children. Marketing departments delight in exploiting the feminist fallacy that you are. They promote ‘women’s only’ this and that, and women have bought into it. This appears sexist but it is really a marketing ploy that works because most women are narcissistic. Companies know they can charge more for goods and services by using the words ‘women only’. Narcissistic women are easily exploitable women. Be neither.
Huh. Isn’t the Men’s Rights Movement all about exploiting the narcissism of men who think they’re more important than women? (And children – at least in the case of the MRAs who whine endlessly about how unfair it is they can’t financially abandon their kids.)
2. Don’t let others make choices for you. This should be self-evident but for most of your life you’ve allowed yourself to be told what to wear, what to buy, what to eat, how to dress, where to go, how to think – in clubs, gyms, magazines, websites, books, stores and by TV talk show hosts. You’ve ‘needed’ a step-by-step guide through life, which you’ve followed with your sisters like sheep. Companies have exploited this need. Behave like a sheep if you must but obey the sheepdog, not the wolf. Better yet, be a woman who can think for herself.
… so long as “thinking for yourself” means “thinking you’re inferior to men and generally thinking the way men who hate women want you to.”
3. Get rid of the self-induced schizophrenia. Don’t insist you’re strong, confident, capable and independent one minute, then weak, frightened and vulnerable the next, especially when you’ve been caught doing something wrong. Don’t chop and change whenever it suits you – learn about who you are and be true. Admit when you’ve done something wrong. Don’t suddenly remember that you suffered abuse in the past or have some kind of mental illness or other instability, then use it to get yourself off. If you never sought help for these problems before you were caught, don’t use them as an excuse afterwards. Accept responsibility for yourself.
And for everything bad that men do as well, as manospherians repeatedly insist. If men are violent, it’s because women (allegedly) like dating violent men. If men brutalize the women in their life, it’s because the women provoke them. If a man arms himself with high-powered weapons and massacres children, his mom is to the real villain. For manospherians and MRAs generally, “responsiblity” means “a woman is always to blame.”
4. Don’t let the law take responsibility for crimes women commit. Speak out against women routinely receiving shorter sentences than men for the same crimes. If the law punishes women as it does children, treat them like children and encourage others to do so too. Don’t call these women ‘victims’ and say “they’ve suffered enough” because they’re women. Believe in, and stand up for, equal justice on the basis of gender.
Women do tend to receive shorter sentences than men for the same crimes. But this isn’t the fault of feminism. Indeed, female judges are slightly more likely to give women harsher sentence than male judges, possibly reflecting paternalistic attitudes on the part of male judges.
5. Don’t believe everything women and feminised men in the media tell you. Many serve up slop by the bucket – celebrity gossip, slimming tips, sex tips, man-shaming tips, rape and abuse lies, etc. TV shows like Oprah and Dr Phil are filled with advice on how women can transform themselves into victims and blame everything on men, while constantly ridiculing them. Partake of more nutritious fare than this. Get your infotainment from equitable programs. Be aware of the cultural status quo from both perspectives.
I have no idea what Jacob here would consider an “equitable” program, but, really, no one of any gender should be getting life advice from Dr. Phil.
6. Don’t fake solidarity with other women, especially in public. Don’t pretend that all women are your best friends when everyone knows nothing could be further from the truth. Openly acknowledge the reality that women despise each other unless there’s personal advantage in not doing so. Most good men can see through these attempts at deception, so lies won’t travel far. Don’t be a liar, especially not an obvious one.
I have no idea what the fuck he’s going on about here. “Don’t fake solidarity with other women, especially in public??” Do women who hate each other march around Jacob’s neighborhood arm-in-arm, pretending to be BFFs and singing the Lady Internationale? (“Arise, you prisoners of menstruation … .“)
7. Don’t seek equality with men. Masculinity and femininity are inherently different. They are neither equals nor opposites, but different parts of the sexual continuum that can’t be defined from each other. Actively separate masculinity from femininity, and separate both from the sexual politics that keep them in healthy tension. Don’t claim women can do anything men can do until you start producing your own sperm.
Um, what? Is Kate Bush not a brilliant musician because she doesn’t have balls? Is Joan Didion not a brilliant writer because she can’t jizz into a sock?
Not every sperm producer is sacred.
8. Don’t demonize male sexuality or the male sex. Both sexes can be evil, both can be virtuous. Empathy, wisdom, grace, mercy, compassion and love are all as masculine as they are feminine. Don’t invaginate our boys by shaming or medicating the masculinity out of them before it matures and don’t impregnate them with the corrosive lie that being a woman is like being a man only better. Male sexuality is a pearl to be cultured. Suffuse your sons egos with promise if you want your daughters to have good men to love.
Uh, “invaginate?” Invaginate means to “be turned inside out or folded back on itself to form a cavity or pouch.” I’m pretty sure that teaching boys not to rape their dates does not in any way, literally or figuratively, turn them into a pouch.
9. Respect the sanctuaries of men. Men are judged much more harshly than women so they need their safe retreat. They don’t have the same opportunities for emotional support as women so they need a place where they can express themselves free of judgment and ridicule. This place must be respected. Take care if you venture there as your feminine narcissism is the enemy. Don’t draw attention to yourself and don’t expect protection if you do. If you must speak don’t attempt to control the dialogue or steer it towards you. Don’t censor language to suit your sensitivities. Male sanctuary is sacred – treat it as you would a cathedral.
Dudes, if you want to start your own little clubhouses where you can call women “cunts” in peace and quiet, go ahead and do it. Just don’t pretend they’re about anything more than misogyny. And if you put these allegedly sacred sanctuaries on the internet, don’t be surprised if some people take offence. Oh, and don’t claim that, say, video games, or STEM fields, or atheism, or whatever male-heavy thing you’re into, is a “male sanctuary” that need to be protected from evil girl germs.
Some male spaces can be totally awesome:
Others, not so awesome.
10. Don’t use shaming tactics. Don’t accuse men of having anger management issues when they’re angry at injustice. Don’t accuse them of being a threat when they call you out for being a bigot or a tyrant. Don’t accuse them of having a fear of commitment when they’re merely making a choice between bravery and stupidity. Don’t assess the merit of their arguments on the basis of their attractiveness to you. Don’t attribute their views about women to past disappointments when it is merely an objective assessment of your sex. Shaming tactics are remnants of childhood so leave them in the nursery if you want to be taken seriously.
I think this one just broke the irony meter. It’s not like manosphere dudes ever use shaming language aimed at anyone.
A word of warning here. The next paragraph is the worst one in the whole manifesto, and, honestly, one of the worst things I’ve run across in my more than two years of doing this blog. TRIGGER WARNING for rape apologia.
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11. Be honest about sexual harassment. If you assert that you have the right to dress as you please and that men should be able to control their sexuality, honour their right to be shielded from yours. If you don’t want men to control themselves but instead want to control their loss of control for your own enjoyment, be prepared for the consequences when things go awry. If ‘harassment’ – the stares, sexual innuendos, sly touches, and even rape – magically cease to be harassment and become the foundations of a passionate new romance occasionally, admit that you don’t really want men to control themselves. Don’t expect men to know when it’s right to ‘harass’ you and when it’s not. Don’t treat Man one minute as an exciting and courageous hero and the next a monster intent on tyranny and abuse if you’re inconsistent in your sexual intentions and desires.
Woah. Let’s take another look at that especially terrible comment in the middle of that mess:
If ‘harassment’ – the stares, sexual innuendos, sly touches, and even rape – magically cease to be harassment and become the foundations of a passionate new romance occasionally, admit that you don’t really want men to control themselves.
I’ve got no jokes for this one. You honestly think that RAPE can be “the foundation of a passionate new romance?” What the fuck is wrong with you?
12. Speak out against misandry. The main reason for its proliferation is that women have remained silent. Silence in the face of injustice is cowardly. It has allowed loud, obnoxious women to preach hatred with impunity, which has reflected badly on all women. When you speak out against misandry you do all women a favour. Don’t be a misandrist, don’t be a coward and don’t be silent.
At this point, I really don’t think I need to bother to point out the hypocrisy here.
Posted on February 10, 2013, in a woman is always to blame, antifeminism, atheism, block that metaphor, domestic violence, entitled babies, evil sexy ladies, evil single moms, evil women, excusing abuse, girl germs, grandiosity, hypocrisy, irony alert, men who should not ever be with women ever, misandry, misogyny, MRA, narcissism, no girls allowed, oppressed men, playing the victim, precious bodily fluids, pussy pass, rapey, reactionary bullshit, sexual harassment, single mothers, the sound of his own voice. Bookmark the permalink. 240 Comments.
My boyfriend is both fitter than I am (bodyguard?) and makes more money than I do (financial support?*). I guess I’d better stop enjoying the sex, or our relationship won’t be transactional enough!
*I don’t let him pay for anything, regardless. Damn feminists, picking up half the bill! :p
@Kittehs’ — Mr. Nalliah actually reminds me of Michelle Malkin, who’s an “anchor baby” and absolutely hates the idea of Hispanic immigration into the US. She’s full Filipino, and a conservative commentator who’s a frequent guest on Fixed Noise. It’s kind of sad — she seems to think that if she slags other Brown Peoples hard enough, all the White Peoples will forget she’s a Brown Person herself.
I dunno why I’m so aware of Ray Comfort in among the Yankee evangelists all over the place. He’s got a hard job of beating out Kent “Dr. Dino” Hovind, but since Hovind is in jail because he doesn’t think he needed to pay payroll taxes, his output has been kind of low (except for the correspondence with God that he publishes occasionally).
Ken Ham is easy. He’s responsible for the blight of the Creation Museum upon the green hills and blue grass of my fair home, Kentucky. Also the Ark Park, which thankfully seems to be dead aborning, but not before the KY gummint gave him millions of dollars in tax breaks.
Great. I’ve given myself a mad now. Stupid hegemony-seeking evangelicals.
You’ve seen the video where atheists visit the creation museum, right? I’m almost tempted to go just so I can take a photo sitting on the dino with a saddle.
@Cassandra: I’ve seen all kinds of atheists-visit-the-Creation-Museum accounts, hell I considered crashing PZ Myer’s trip, but it just didn’t work out.
But I don’t remember a particular video.
And Michelle Malkin always reminds me of Rita Skeeter. I think it’s just because there’s a picture of a pen on her blog that makes me think of the Quick Quotes Quill
So, Monday. Ugh.
My understanding is that the mainstream romance publishers backed off the use of “falling in love with your rapist” in novels during the 1980s? (I didn’t really sleep last night so my memory is fuzzy.) Thanks to feminists (*gasp!*) pointing out how execrable it was for some time, the publishers stopped putting out so many stories where that happened. The market shifted as well, again thanks to anti-rape and anti-DV activism by feminists. Which is not to say that romance novels do not have hella problems overall still. Even Jen Cruise, who I love, wrote a book that involved stalking like it was a fun plot device.
And brace yourselves for the next MRA hero, the dude who killed two women in a Delaware courthouse this morning:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/11/david-matusiewicz-delaware-courthouse-shooter_n_2662357.html?1360601710&utm_hp_ref=crime
Sure enough, MRA-types are already there in the Matusiewicz story’s comments.
I try not to read comments on HuffPo if I can prevent myself. Especially on a day like this when I’ve had so little sleep. I’m sure this’ll get picked up by the MRM somewhere. A father killing his grandchildren’s mother to “protect” his son? They’ll wet themselves.
I wish varpole hadn’t ruined “vile” for me, because it’s a damned appropriate adjective.
If anyone wants kinda-sorta brain bleach, there’s a tumblr that just has screenshots of old geocities sites.
My favorite so far:
http://oneterabyteofkilobyteage.tumblr.com/post/42796248620/original-url
@tulgey logger
I had a phase when I liked this kind of colour scheme:
http://oneterabyteofkilobyteage.tumblr.com/post/42843441750/original-url
That was a phase when I hated the world and wanted to lash out at it in horrible ways, but kinda failed at that because I don’t like hurting people. So, lime green, fuchsia pink, dark blue and fluro yellow colour schemes.
“This is low fi!”
“Low fi? THIS. IS. RAAAAAAAAFTIIIIING!”
http://oneterabyteofkilobyteage.tumblr.com/post/42763193642/original-url
Ah, those were the days, when you could stare at HTML source code for 10 minutes and then create a page that looked as good as any other page on the web. CSS ruined everything *sniff*
SWEET JESUS MY EYES
hahaha. My first AOL webpage had a cloud background and about a metric ton of animated gifs. I can’t even remember what it was about, I just remember how awful it looked.
None of these are as blingy as my worst memories of internet days of yore.
I was more of a reductionist at the time. Plain solid-color background, plain text, a lot of tables and horizontal lines dividing it up.
I also went by Duchess Dreams about Carrot Cake. Don’t ask.
I think that’s actually one of the biggest differences between back-in-the-day sites and contemporary blogs, even more than the look-and-feel and the social-media aspect. Back then, you just made a site so you could have a site. You didn’t think about who would visit your site or why or what would make them come back, you just put something up there. Blogs, however bad, usually understand that you need to have a topic!
When me and my friends were playing around with Geocities sites they were a place to publicly post your angsty 13 year old diary (because our parents just DIDN’T UNDERSTAND, okay?) I don’t think we expected anyone to read them, necessarily, we just liked the idea that someone could.
I’m going to write about the Matusiewicz story; just waiting a bit to see how it develops. If any of you see MRA types commenting on it, let me know. (I’m looking through the comments at that HuffPo article now.)
Did they ever go off about what happened at Oikos University, or did they decide there was no need to offer their moral support because the shooter wasn’t white?
What barrel’s butt did HuffPo scrape to get those terrible commenters? There aren’t even any kitties, fer crissakes. I’ve only seen one pretty generic MRA-type comment, and that was like two pages after the very first one I saw, which was about how the second amendment apparently gives us the right to shoot tyrannical government employees.
Hmmm,from the way he discusses them, I can see he understands the concepts of “narcissism” and “schizophrenia” every bit as well as he understands women and feminism.
Tulgey - HP is always full of misogynistic scum in its comments; that’s mainly why I stopped reading it. They may not identify as MRAs, but they’re horrible.
AUGH MY EYES! Those old sites are AWFUL.
We’re a bit weird in that we still do most of our web stuff in plain HTML. It’s just the easiest way to insure accessibility on different platforms, and means we can do everything by hand without too much trouble.
Heheh I put up my website with WordPress’s template and stuck in the background I like. If anyone else likes it, fine, if not … well, I’m not exactly hunting for elebenty billion hits.
Dastardly feminist, how dare you invade male-only safe spaces?! Everybody knows newspaper comment sections are for MRA eyes only!
LBT at Dragon Slayer: “Get your head out of your ass; it’s got enough shit in it.”
I laughed so hard at this I just about cried. Thank you for that. It cured my crabby mood today.
As for Dragon Asshat: When someone puts up bullshit in a public place, nobody, not them or anyone on their behalf, should get their nose out of joint when people call them on that bullshit.
And another thing, the wonderful thing about the internet is, it’s not entirely private. That’s why there’s lots of warnings saying people shouldn’t post things on the internet if they want them to be private, or out available out there for the rest of time.
And women not capable of love? Who are you to say what women are capable of? You must not know very many with your point of view. I certainly wouldn’t want a piece of work like you in my life.
And to all those who posted photos of kitties: KITTEHS!!! <3
Wandering in two days late to award Tulgey Logger on Internet for the demi-Rickroll on page 2.