PUA douche Roosh V: Men’s Rights Activists “use their illusionary movement as an excuse to sit on their ass and be a loser at life.”
Roosh V, making the world a better place
Men’s Rights Activists, I hate to have to break the news to you, but Roosh V, the rapey pickup guru I’ve been writing about a lot lately, is very disappointed in you and your so-called activism. In a sort-of followup to a post of his from several years back with the self-explanatory title “Men’s Rights Has Become A Euphemism For Sexual Loser,” Roosh lays into the “manginas” of the Men’s Rights movement, which he says isn’t really worthy of the name.
The biggest problem with MRAs is that they are not activists. They are pamphleteers. … They believe that one-thousand of them typing away and producing ten-thousand blog posts will change society. … [But] their movement hasn’t produced any results, only little online playgrounds where sad boys can sit in the sandbox and helplessly watch girls play with the cocky boys who understand the rules of the game.
He’s just getting going:
What political or social change have the men’s rights pamphleteers brought? Say MRP in one syllable. That’s the sound they make every time they sit down and hit publish on another one of their turd rants, giddy at the prospect of changing the world when a cup of strong coffee accomplishes more change to their actual turds. … They get the occasional snarky mention from Jezebel and think they’re accomplishing something when they’re actually being used as nothing more than fodder for female bemusement or page views … Even the feminists, their supposed mortal enemy, refuse to debate them on equal footing.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they go back to mostly ignoring you, with occasional time-outs for laughter.
Our dear friend Paul Elam gets a little namecheck:
The entire men’s rights non-movement can be boiled down to one middle-aged man named Paul Elam who is carrying the weight of a thousand pamphleteers on his suffering shoulders. That’s not activism, that’s following one dude’s blog. The difference they think they’re making by cheering the public outing of false rape accusers or “male shamers” is the same difference my sister makes when she reads an article in Cosmo.
Aw. I don’t think Elam is really going to appreciate having his blog compared to Cosmo. Just keep telling yourself: Any publicity is good publicity.
But wait a minute, you might find yourself saying, isn’t Roosh just a blogger himself? What possible difference has he made for the men of the world?
Ah, but Roosh has anticipated this objection, and so sets out explicitly what makes him different, and better, than the “sad boys” of the MR(non)M: Roosh fucks ladies who aren’t fat.
As he puts it:
I take personal action and encourage other men to do the same.
At the same time I was complaining that American girls are fat, I was blasting inside Polish girls with perfect bodies. I tell men how to sleep with such women.
At the same time I was whining about divorce rape, I was dating a Ukrainian girl who treated me like a king. I tell other men where to find women like her.
In Ukraine, perhaps?
And while Roosh improves the lives of men with the power of his penis, he is also doing his part to rescue the economy from its doldrums:
At the same time I complain that the American economy is in trouble, I was completing another book I knew my readers would like so that I could increase my income.
That’s right, selling ebooks to make yourself some cash is apparently the highest form of activism.
But he’s not done:
At the same time I was ranting against the Skrillex haircut, I was banging a Lithuanian girl whose hair belonged in a Vidal Sassoon shampoo commercial. I tell men how feminine women are like.
We commend Roosh for his courage and his humility, and his humanity-bettering strategy of pressuring drunk women into bed. Soon the Skrillex haircut will be nothing more than a scary memory.
But Roosh isn’t done with the Men’s Rightsers just yet. While he sets out to better himself and his penis, Roosh complains, the Men’s Rightsers want everything handed to them on a government-issue silver platter,
hoping the government will one day serve their interests and give them things that me and my readers are achieving on their own. I don’t need the government to pass laws against alimony. I simply won’t marry in the USA. I don’t need the government to pass laws promoting fair child custody laws. I won’t impregnate an America girl. I don’t need the government to increase punishment for false rape accusers. I’ll cover my own back. I don’t need the government to ban trans fat to lower the weight of the population. I’ll go to Poland.
What a hero! He continues:
In the same breath they call me a pussy beggar, they beg the government for protection from pussy.
That line is strangely Kennedyesque in its eloquence: “Beg not for what pussy your government can protect your from … .”
Before winding up his inspiring little manifesto, Roosh manages to namecheck a certain middle-aged Men’s Rightser once again:
Instead of listening to Paul Elam tell me that men are getting fucked, I will step out of the house and find a girl who wants to get fucked by me. … [MRAs] use their illusionary movement as an excuse to sit on their ass and be a loser at life.
I guess we’ll just have to wait to see if Elam takes the bait.
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Posted on August 29, 2012, in a voice for men, antifeminism, creepy, drama, evil fat fatties, gloating, grandiosity, internal debate, misogyny, MRA, narcissism, oppressed men, paul elam, penises, precious bodily fluids, PUA, rapey, rhymes with roosh, sex and tagged men's rights, pick-up artists, PUA, roosh. Bookmark the permalink. 264 Comments.
I only know these PUA guys through David’s posts, but as far as I can tell the main difference between Roissy and Roosh is that Roissy seems to have had sex at some point in his life (unfortunate, since his tactics are rapey and horrible). I’m 99% sure Roosh is just making shit up; look at any post where he tries to describe sex or the female anatomy.
I can believe that he’s been on lots of unsuccessful mail-order-bride and/or sex-tour trips to impoverished countries, though. I hope he at least did some sightseeing while he was there.
And buying it wouldn’t even have supported the publisher for publishing it!
This is late, but seriously, LOL at truther.
1. Disagree that fatshaming and slutshaming is just some bullshit made up by misogynists.
2. Cite some bullshit on a misogynist’s website to say they deserve it.
Well done, truther. Well done.
On the subject of dogs being naughty, my brother’s corgi was left unsupervised for slightly under five minutes while my brother was outside. During that time, he managed to find and eat an entire family-size bag of Hershey’s kisses, including all their foil wrappers and most of the plastic bag.
He got his stomach pumped promptly and was perfectly fine, if indignant about the trip to the vet. I think the worst part is that his “best friend,” a Jack Russell whom my brother was pet-sitting at the time, had to get her stomach pumped too to be safe, though it turned out she hadn’t touched the chocolate. Some friend, to make you go to the vet and have tubes stuck down your throat when he was the one who misbehaved! (She seems to have forgiven him, though. They’re still buddies.)
Uh, he said that Elam and MRAs hadn’t actually accomplished anything because all they do is sit on their asses and complain online. Which is true for all but a tiny, tiny handful of them, and the only thing these “activists” seem to be doing now is putting up posters for avfm. The size of the readership doesn’t matter all that much when the readership doesn’t do anything in the real world. FWIW, Roosh has a MUCH bigger audience than AVFM, according to Alexa.
2004 was probably the watershed, because that was when Poland joined the European Union and suddenly the incentive to go to America pretty much evaporated - Britain was much cheaper to get to, didn’t require a green card or a visa, and they had full employment rights there without having to jump through any bureaucratic hoops.
So they came to Britain in droves (hilariously, the government predicted around 15,000 but the true figure was closer to 1.5 million), completely rewriting the stereotypes in the process - because so many of them were highly educated and/or qualified in manual trades like plumbing, “Polish” became synonymous with “surprisingly good quality given the low price”, and there was a recent controversy when some employers were caught advertising for staff exclusively in Polish, because they were much more reliable than the British.
(Surprisingly, this has been greeted without much of the usual tabloid outrage: the British have historically been far more tolerant of immigration from Poland than from most other nations because we generally feel that we behaved appallingly badly towards them during WWII - they fought heroically alongside us, and we repaid them by giving their country to Stalin).
I daresay there are a few Polish women out there who still dream of a knight in shining armor sweeping them off their feet and taking them to America, but I suspect the overall number has plunged through the floor. If I was American, it’s certainly not a scenario I’d rely on.
So I agree that Roosh is almost certainly peddling long-defunct stereotypes to his readers, either because he doesn’t know any better or because he cynically thinks that they don’t either. But I’m pretty sure he’s made them up regardless.
Roissy’s his idea of a source?!!! Have I got an inconvenient truth for him!
This “as a journalist” stuff is hilarious. I’m going to start talking like that all the time. “Hey mom, as a retired engineer, did you have a good week?” “Excuse me, but as the cashier in this store, would you be able to tell me the time?” “Hey kitty, as a cat, you should get your ass off the table.”
Many replies, no refutations. Par for the course.
Please carry on with your kitten gifs and such.
you would have to say something substantive before we could refute it, kiddo. or do you want us to ‘refute’ that your a dupe who bleats about anyone who doesn’t show complete fealty to a self-important creep?
“WWWWWHHHHHYYYYY ARE YOU BEING MEAN TO MY HERO. DON’T YOU KNOW HE HAS SEX. WITH WOMEN!”
a thing said by a dumb person trying to feel important
@Maniacal Goblinoid Nightmare Woman
“Poland is still culturally Catholic, and Ukraine’s Orthodox Christianity comes with some very similar baggage around sex and marriage (but with additional crowns).”
What baggage? Do you mean the baggage of loyalty? Abhorant to the feminist faith for sure. The evils of loyalty, Yuck.
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“This mix of guilt and rebellion that goes with earlier efforts at rejecting that kind of upbringing does bring about a slight tendency for people to deliberately shag arseholes as a one night thing.”
What guilt and rebellion? Is this a stereotype invented by the marxist left to demonize and ridicule? What else could it be? Rejecting the bad upbringing of the evil Christians no doubt. And of course to occasionally escape this bad upbringing, it’s shag time. Too bad you weren’t over there when the Bolsheviks slaughtered twenty million of those backward Christian peasants. Maybe with a little more encouragement, theyd’ve killed them all.
@Truth
You posted links to a misogynist ranting about shit that has no basis in reality.
Many people noted that this is what you did.
Point, refuted.
To save others trawling through your posts, this is the entirety of what you’ve written in this thread:
Post 1:
Post 2 (in reply to “Being called out for skeevy towards a person ≠ being insulted for body shape/having sex”):
Post 3: in response to the question “Care to explain how having sex or being overweight hurts society?”, you provided two links to that universally respected peer-reviewed source known as Château Heartiste.
“Refutation” seems to imply that you think you’ve posted something of genuine substance. I suspect I’m not alone in disagreeing with this.
It’s pretty hilarious that he thinks his idea of “Other people’s body types and what consenting adults choose to do with their time should be policed” needs to be refuted.
It’s like he came in here, said “The sky is red,” and claimed victory because we didn’t bother to link the studies showing otherwise.
If I remember correctly, Roissy once wrote a blog about how fat women are fat and happy and therefore they weed themselves out of the competition or something.
To be honest, if the only reason women have sex (or rather, tolerate being used as a fuckdoll) is to get men to buy them things they want, then OF COURSE women will prefer shift work in retail for pay to indentured sexual and domestic servitude to some thoughtless boor who miiiight buy her something she wants if she gives him anal without lube.
His article also just assumes that men, by default, DESERVE a vagina to fuck, which is why, apparently, fat women are so horrible. Not because women by default have any actual say in who they fuck, but because the vaginal life support device is just tooooo horrrrrrible for the penis-controlled horny man who will die if he does not get his dick wet during erectiontime.
Ugh. How dehumanizing to everyone involved.
That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Actually, there have been a lot of refutations, if you’re linking to a random dude on the internet who posts nothing peer reviewed then the assertions of people here are basically just as good. Not to mention, one person was kind enough to link to a reputable resource, which you were not.
Back on to escape artist pets, @Falconer, I would suspect the blue healer is doing one of the two things you mentioned. We finally figured out how our cockapoo was doing it one day when my mom put the dogs out because it was nice while she was driving my sister and I to swim practice. As we pulled out of the garage we saw him slip under the fence. It didn’t look comfortable to me, but that didn’t seem to bother him. My mom was all “that little stinker!” He later taught our terrior mix that trick, which was unfortunate, because she wasn’t a dog who was good with other people or dogs. We had to keep her in the house or go out with her when we put her in the backyard until she got too big to do that trick anymore.
Everyone note: the Stalinist left had nothing to do with it.
“Uh, he said that Elam and MRAs hadn’t actually accomplished anything because all they do is sit on their asses and complain online. Which is true for all but a tiny, tiny handful of them, and the only thing these “activists” seem to be doing now is putting up posters for avfm. The size of the readership doesn’t matter all that much when the readership doesn’t do anything in the real world. FWIW, Roosh has a MUCH bigger audience than AVFM, according to Alexa.”
Okay, well, then I guess Roosh is also correct that avfm and /r/mensrights is pathetic means that the time you spend focusing on avfm and /r/mensrights is even more pathetic and you should probably focus your attention on Roosh. It’s pathetic and disturbing how he advocates roofies and rape.
Bye the way, seriously, someone needs to do a real article about the Judean People’s Front hilarity going on over in the atheism+ world. That could be you David.
Have you checked out Stephanie Zwan lately? Hilarious conversation here:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2012/08/29/legitimate-differences-of-opinion
you really just do not get what mockery is, do you?
yeah dude, forming a parallel movement because of legitimate disagreements with people who are anti-social justice is the same as a cosmetic doctrinal schism. that is not some idiot false equivalency garbage a lazy whinelord made up because he wanted to deflect attention from the cascade of failure he’s trying to defend.
@some guy
I don’t think David is interested in being your freelance writer.
Tell you what, I could do you up a fullrights, no-attribution article about r-atheism for 25 USD, payable through Paypal. What do you say?
See how that works? You request a service, and you state the amount you will pay for your service.
@some guy
Also, you should do an article about why you decided to be part of a hate movement. For me, for free.
everything in that post is basically correct??? are you just looking for feminist to throw a tantrum about?
Zwan’s post basically boils down to: “People who think that rape and sexism aren’t problems fail at critical reasoning.”
Are you trying to argue that this isn’t true? It sounds a lot like saying “racists have a poor understanding of sociology.” It’s basic common sense.
he’s an mra, so actually, yeah probably. i mean, he can’t answer zwan’s challenge to back his shit up, but he is so going to get all huffy about it.
Yeah, I know, I’m just interested if I can get some guy to actual state his position.
Some guy. You are in a hate group. You come here to defend other members of that hate group. Have you ever considered not being in a hate group?
Man, the comment thread on the Zwan article is a goldmine. A commenter named thegambler seriously argued that ftb is a site “for feminism, not social justice” because there were about ten times as many articles on feminism as about marijuana. How DARE people think that discrimation against half the world’s population is ten times or more as important as people’s right to smoke up.
If you like that topic so much, why don’t you make your own blog and write all about it? David doesn’t have to take orders from you.
Because David hasn’t said Roosh’s tactics are rapey and awful already and doesn’t continue to? Fuck dude, you’re saying “you need to pay attention to Roosh” in the comments of a post about Roosh. WTF? And it’s not like MRAs are strangers to advocating rape. The likes of Elam & co. are also advocating to vote “not guilty” if they ever sit on juries in rape trials, even if it’s obvious beyond a shadow of a doubt that the man being tried did in fact rape. Plenty of others are just general rape apologists “it wasn’t rape rape” “it wasn’t real rape” “she deserved it” etc. They may not be rapists themselves (though I don’t think it’s completely unfair to postulate that a group that views women as less than human would have an overlap of folks who view women’s consent to sex acts as unnecessary) but they are for sure, rape enablers.
And again where do you get off telling David what he should and shouldn’t write about on his own damn blog?
That could also be you! You obviously have a computer with an internet connection and a means of making words you think appear on the screen, you could start your own blog where you talk about whatever the hell you want! I mean, why petition a guy who’s schtick you’re bored with to do it? Obviously his writing isn’t up to your standards anyway, so if he did jump for every command you gave, you’d just find something else to pick apart. What’s the saying? If you want something done right, fucking do it your goddamn self already and quit pissing and moaning that no one else will do it for you.
I agree, but I think there’s another way in which that’s stupid: it’s perfectly reasonable to restrict yourself to a subset of social justice while still being, y’know, a social justice thing.
What baggage? Do you mean the baggage of loyalty?
No, but thanks for asking.
..Zwan..
*Puts on mistake correction hat (aka pair of cat ears)* Should be a “v”, not a “w”.
Hey some guy, as an irritating douchecanoe, you should really clean my house for me.
My dad tells that our first dog, Rex, once ate an entire box of chocolates when everyone had gone out. He ripped the box to shreds but somehow managed to remove the foil wrappers. He was ok, though, had a very robust digestive system (ate a dead rat on at least two occasions).
My childhood dog had to be taken to puppy emergency twice — twice! — for managing to break into the outside garbage can and eating plastic wrap. Presumably there were some yummy sandwich remnants on them, or something. Poor fella.
one of my dogs ate plastic wrap once but we didnt notice it and the only consequence for her was a seriously uncomfortable shit
Our dog ate a few Babybel cheeses (do they have those everywhere? i don’t know! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babybel) and I didn’t notice until I was cleaning the yard a few days later and found several perfectly wax-wrapped turds.
Also the cocker spaniel we had growing up was an absolute *fiend* for chocolate - but only if it belonged to my sister. He ate a christmas present she had wrapped (chocolates for a friend), her entire hallowe’en stash one year and her easter bunny. He seemed ok, but i wouldn’t reccomend chocolate for critters!
Statements of religious faith are, as a rule, unfalsifiable.
wut?
I don’t find anyone except my beloved sexually attractive, therefore all other humans are being socially corrosive, by enemabreath’s argument.
Sharculese, one of my kits did the eating clingwrap thing too - same result, plastic-wrapped poo!
Oh, that clanking noise I heard earlier was the sheer balls of some guy wanting David to drop everything for him. OK.
some guy, you could do your own thing, unless you had a teacher who once criticized your writing ability.
I love the smell of entitlement in the morning.
(Also in the evening and at night, in this case.)
unless you had a teacher who once criticized your writing ability
MISANDRY!
re: an inconvinient truth
“To clarify this assertion for the modern indoctrinated female reader: an obese woman is as “sexually undesirable to men as a jobless, charmless, humorless, enfeebled, dull man is sexually undesirable to women.”
Nooooo, it’s like a man who a woman finds unattractive physically. Women (and men) find various different things attractive as individuals. Also, finding someone unattractive physically (for whatever reason) isn’t necessarily the same as sexually undesirable. There are a fair few guys that I find unattractive physically but generally sexy.
I swear this contributes to the Mr.Als and ‘Nice guys’ with the mentality that they can never get a girlfriend because they don’t look like Brad Pitt. Some men DON’T think that being extremely conventionally attractive is their top priority in a partner. Besides, once you dated that supermodel for awhile, you’d see that their looks didn’t seem very relevant now you realise you hate each other/have nothing in common/wanna be friends.
Oh, the fauxskeptic must you plague me here too? Must you suck at atheism outside the atheist community at large?
“God exists” isn’t falsifiable because the claims of god’s existence generally can’t be negated; either God encompasses all existence, and can not be disproven because existence exists (various pantheistic beliefs), gods exist in in physical objects or animals and can not directly be interacted with (various animistic or naturalistic faiths) or god exists on a seperate plane of reality which conveniently we can not check (various polytheistic and monotheistic beliefs).
These are falsifiable; to disprove ‘dieting doesn’t work’, you would look at peer reviewed data of diets and dieting, and show that dieting has a demonstrable effect on weight loss. To disprove “fat people eat the same as everyone else”, you would look at studies that actually look at what people eat, etc.
But you know, I don’t suck at the principles behind skepticism or atheism, so I can tell you that difference. Some wannabe like you can’t do more than parrot a common line.
Wouldn’t it have been quicker to just type “MRA”?
Gawd, this fucking gang-war act between PUAs and MRAs is just too damned good. The only thing missing is popcorn. I hope both sides get off their asses long enough to take each other out, but I guess it doesn’t do to be greedy. This bullshit is too funny not to watch.
Chocolate is fatal for people too. The question is more how much.
And the thing to realise is that the LD50 (that is the dose at which half the victims die) is both pure chocolate and based on body weight. For people it’s five kilograms of pure chocolate, based on a 160lb adult.* because the toxic ingredient is only a small part of the cocoa(actual LD50 is 1000mg/kg of thebromine, the alkaloid in question).
For dogs it’s a bit trickier. The LD50 is listed at 300 mg/kg, but lethality has been seen at as low as 115mg/kg Part of the reason is that dogs metabolise theobromine at a much slower rate than most animals.
So it’s dangerous, but for most dogs the amount of theobromine in a candy bar is well below that (an eight ounce bar of milk chocolate has 352 miligrams of thebromine (eight ounces of of baker chocolate is 13.650 milligrams) so a 25 lb dog = 11.1 kilos = 352/11.1 32 mg/kg, which is still not quite 1/4th of the lower 115mg/kg.
Cats have a lower LD50 than dogs, 200mg/kg, and usually a much lower weight, to they ought to be more carefully kept from eating it.
*though I’ve seen one “asnwer” site which has a BOLD disclaimer that there is a “pure” form of chocolate, not tainted with fillers, and refined sugars, etc. which is as healthy as the solstice days are long above 60 North.
The PUA has since its inception been only tenuously connected to the MRM; in fact, many MRM sites openly and explicitly heap contempt upon RooshV and his ilk. Boobzland has an ally, I suppose, in our mutual animus. Let’s not make the implicit connection that is being made; I’m calling you out.
“I’m calling you out.” Can we add that to the treasured Steele/Butthorn lexicon? BTW, anyone unfamiliar with Steele’s history here, should see this. And also, for laughs, visit his blog (hey, he’s posting again!) and katz’ response to Steele’s blog.
Steele, you’re all misogynists who view women as inferior. That is the commonality that counts on this website.
I’m no Roosh fan on a personal level, but he did distance himself from the MRA over the past weeks or so via his writings. He now realizes that MRA are a bunch of fucking racist pricks who keyboard jockey 24/7. I always tear those scumbags a new asshole, along with those other chodes in the Chodosphere/Manosphere.