GirlWritesWhat on “The Necessity of Domestic Violence”: “I don’t really find too much [that's] seriously ethically questionable.”
Yesterday, we took a look at Ferdinand Bardamu’s manosphere manifesto “The Necessity of Domestic Violence,” a thoroughly despicable piece of writing that concludes:
Women should be terrorized by their men; it’s the only thing that makes them behave better than chimps.
I decided to take a look at Bardamu’s post yesterday after running across a discussion of it in Reddit’s new FeMRA subreddit, a forum ostensibly devoted to what “women can do to advance men’s rights as women.” It’s a strange little subreddit, started by a man and dominated by some of Reddit’s most unsavory MaleMRAs, some of them banned in the regular Men’s Rights subreddit.
Recently one of the most unsavory of the bunch, calling himself JeremiahGuy this time, posted a link to Bardamu’s domestic violence manifesto, which he hosts on his website. Jeremiah naturally used the discussion as an excuse to post more apologias for domestic “discipline” along the lines of the quote from him I featured yesterday.
But I was a little surprised to see GirlWritesWhat, the blabby FeMRA video blogger who’s captured the hearts of Reddit’s Men’s Rights crowd, step into the conversation with something of a defense of Bardamu’s noxious views. After reading Bardamu’s manifesto – the one advocating that men “terrorize” their women to make them behave – GWW blithely concluded:
I don’t really find too much in the article that strikes me as seriously ethically questionable.
Have I taken that remark out of context? Yes. In context, it’s worse. Here’s the entire quote from her, and a further clarification of her position.
She wasn’t the only one in the discussion to get upvotes for suggesting that men slapping women around from time to time isn’t really such a big deal. MaunaLoona (a MaleMRA) wrote:
Lots of MRAs like to pretend that they care about male victims of domestic violence. But the Men’s Rights movement hasn’t done shit for them. And here, I think, is why: too many MRAs are less interested in helping male victims of domestic violence than they are in providing excuses and justifications for male abusers.
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Posted on August 16, 2012, in antifeminism, antifeminst women, domestic violence, FemRAs, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, patriarchy, reactionary bullshit, reddit and tagged alpha males, antifeminism, creepy, domestic violence, feminism, men's rights, misogyny, MRA, patriarchy. Bookmark the permalink. 611 Comments.
Andre: @CassandraSays. How many abusive relationships have you been in.
You first. If one has to have personal, intimate experience to know this shit, you have to pony up your credentials.
But then again, the odds of your being Professor Pell, Esq. MD, Ph.D, Therapist, and Nephew of Montgomery Clift just shot way up, with the “childish”.
So enjoy being this caricature, and recall that you said you can’t be a moral being.
p.s. I’m still waiting for YOUR explanation of why you told that story.
ooh, pecunium, can you plug your blog again? It was good reading but I lost the link.
Attention, attention! Synchronise watches for the Pell meltdown in 10 … 9 …
http://pecunium.wordpress.com/ It’s also tied to my nom-de-gravatar.
I like the neologism, Pelltdown.
Makes me think of the Piltdown man… which (being a complete fabrication) seems fitting.
@timetravellingfool. There’s a lot of sense in what you say. I can’t account for everyone else’s contribution, but I think you’re mostly right in your interpretation. As for mine, I didn’t quite just plop the story in the conversation, although I did tell it sans context, just as is. I plopped it in in reply to another post - in a conversation in which I was participating. I had no hopes or expectations of anyone. I’m not a god and can’t predict or precipitate people’s responses. Would you make me responsible for what others write? I do not have your powers in understanding motives and intentions. I simply say what I want to say. What arises from that is beyond my control. This is how the world mostly works.
You weren’t participating in shit, you necro’d an old thread with your brain droppings.
I don’t understand the in-joke about pell. I don’t want to understand it. I’m not interested in in-jokes. They are for playground cliques. I’m pleased not to know.
::sound of world’s smallest violin::
Oh noes, nobody is being nice to the troll!
Folks, we’ve reached “I have no idea who this person is you’re accusing me of being. I was in Borneo all evening!”
I believe the evidence is now convincing.
Why yes Pell, I am rather child like. Its one of my more endearing qualities. Now please, keep trying that scattershot of insults. I don’t think anyone here is feeling burned.
Hellkell, you are now a Daemonic goddess. But really, I think we need to talk about redecorating Olympia.
Look, andre, you are commenting on an extremely feminist site mocking the mrm- you could not possibly fathom the troll traffic here. Just take it slow, comment as best you can, and, most importantly, don’t be shy! We love having you here! Just enjoy your time commenting and share your opinions freely- nothing like heated discussion to get the synapses firing!
@timetravellingfool. You are evidently not entirely foolish. You had no need to ‘buy’ the story I told because I wasn’t selling it. If you mean you believe that it is true than you are right. It is a true story. As for what others have written, you can decide for yourself what is make-believe and what is not.
I can indeed- let’s take the story as gospel truth, then- what does it imply?
Hey TimeTraveller!
HE LIKES YOU!
Aren’t you so pleased! You got a pat on the head! I’m so jelly.
@timetravellingfool. You will think I’m joking, but if I was trying to imply anything by it, it was so long ago I’ve forgotten. I think it’s less revealing what I was trying to imply than what others have concluded from it. They have gone much further than I would have dared, even though it is my story. In a sense the train of conversation has been so disrupted and broken that the story cannot serve a useful purpose. That is a shame because it is a true story.
How tragic! We’ve derailed our own thread! And we started that so very,very long ago that Andre here can’t remember if he had a point to his story beyond listening to his own voice. I bet it started so long, long ago he’s almost dead from old age.
I love how three pages in Pell not only is unable to explain what his point was, but also refuses to even try.
7.10pm, Pell tells story.
9.13pm, Pell can’t remember why he told it.
pillowinhell, I am just disgraced at your lack of manners- this (going out on a very thin limb here) man is a newcomer to our fine comments section- the least we could do is show him a little courtesy- if he cannot remember what point he was trying to make when he posted, he can hardly be to blame- perhaps he was under the influence of narcotics or some such thing. My point is be gracious and courteous in thought and manner, pillowinhell; questioning a man`s motives is crude and unbecoming.
Why does everyone answer for everyone else on this site? I address one person and get a reply from someone else. Perhaps when I’m a little less tired: it’s gone 3am where I am, I may take the trouble to back-up three pages and regain my train of thought. If all I had to do was recite from leaflets, I wouldn’t have this problem. I’m not interested in analysis as an abstract exercise. That is pissing in a pot, and anyone can do that.
I have this image of TTF adjusting Pell’s hat …
*scuffs floor with penitant look*
But you cracked a smile didn’t you?
*said with tiny mischevious grin*
You know, “I don’t remember my point, and you’d just tear it apart anyways because it was stupid,” would have been more succinct.
How large is the pot? My aim isn’t the best. Cursed female frailty.
I bet pissing in a pot while standing would be more amusing than this guys prattle.
Timetravelingfool, am I forgiven yet?
WHOOOOO my copy of Due South just arrived! And in nine days, too, that’s pretty special.
Andre, are you new to the internet?
Welcome to Manboobz, we mock misogyny and talk all over the place. Do try to keep up.
*sigh*, Just remember to treat guests properly in the future, pillowinhell. Expecting them to explain their premise is simply rude.
Beloved is never shocked or appalled at my behaviour.
*goes to sulk in corner*
Beloved is an uncouth harlot. I have couth coming out my ass.
Compare and contrast:
I didn’t quite just plop the story in the conversation, although I did tell it sans context, just as is. I plopped it in in reply to another post – in a conversation in which I was participating.
And:
@pecunium. I’m not arguing anything or saying it has to do with anything or anybody. I’m just telling you about my friend.
I suppose those are compatible. It didn’t mean anything, it was just a response.
It didn’t mean anything, it was just words.
@timetravellingfool. You will think I’m joking, but if I was trying to imply anything by it, it was so long ago I’ve forgotten
Dude… what was it, two hours? And there are all these aides memoire in the form of the comments to which you were replying, they are all of one page back (I checked).
But, if you have such a paucity of short term memory, it might behoove you to put it all in context when you make the comment.
Kitteh’s Ration it. Three seasons goes by in a hurry.
Laughing so hard I can barely type…
WHOOOO! I can’t WAIT to tell Beloved he’s an uncoutrh harlot!! The look on his face will be PRICELESS!!!!!!
*oxygen depletion to brain setting in. Laughing too hatrd to draw breath
now if only they had medication for blockquote fail …
@hellkell. I think you don’t know what you’re doing. To use an English expression, you are “chewing a brick.” Why should I wish to keep up with such an activity?
@timetravellingfool. You learned to piss in a pot a long time ago. The time should have passed where you needed to hold it up so you can be congratulated.
I’ve exhausted my interest more than anything else and am going to bed. Goodnight everyone.
‘Night, Andre. Stick the flounce.
Ok, look, you guys, I kind of need help figuring out the parting shot aimed at me- what the fuck does ‘the time has passed where I need to hold it up’ mean? Is there a point where you can just think about aiming your pee and it happens?
Ahahahahahah!!GASPahahaahaahaaha!
His response a deadpan face “a harlot??”"
GASP ahahahahahaaha!!!!
Gasp gasp tee hee hehhe
He meant hold the pot (as in a kid’s potty) up to be congratulated, I presume. Not sure what his point was, unless to demonstrate the success of his humour bypass surgery.
Does a tired interest exercise you interest muscles? Will he come back even more interested three days from now after appropriate interest recovery time?
Wow, is pissing in pots still something people do? I certainly haven’t yet. Though were I drunk enough I might expect a bit of congratulations- I have trouble enough with those urine samples at the doctors office.
I think it’s as in potty training for little kids, not adults.
Mind you if one had an outdoor dunny, a gazunda would be a good option at night. Fighting one’s way past the spiders at night is not fun.
(Gazunda: Aussie slang for a chamberpot. It gazunda the bed.)
I wonder where he thinks I get my leaflets, since all I’m doing is quoting them (and I don’t have to look them up, or anything; to make sure they are relevant), since I’m stupid like that.
Hey wow, all I have to do is click on your name to get your blog, pecunium! my blog sucks- it’s mostlyu what I write when I am drunk and there are no trolls to pick on. you put me to shame.
ttf: I still am not getting much in the way of commentary. The Lj peeps are still commenting at Lj, and no one else seems to want to talk amongst themselves.
hrm, well, give it time, it will spice up. Trolls usually help- they give people something to argue against, and that’s way easier- they’ll find you, they always do.
@pecunium and @ttf, maybe the blog needs more mantrol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDEWjoIGs8I
Fighting one’s way past the spiders at night is not fun. - The Kittehs’ Unpaid Help
Would it be something like this?
Aw, that was only a partial meltdown. Pell, I’m very disappointed in you. Try harder next time.