MRAs: The men who lost their lives protecting their girlfriends in the Aurora theater shooting were “suckers.”
Over on The Spearhead, the regulars are discussing the three young men who sacrificed their own lives to save their girlfriends in the chaos of the Aurora theater shootings.
Needless to say, many of them aren’t too keen on any act of heroism that might benefit a woman.
Here are the two highest-rated comments in the comment thread. (I have bolded some of the more egregious stuff.)
Young Guy writes:
Sacrifice was once expected of men and women, but it has only been expected of men since the social contract between men and women was torn up by feminists. Most women have been told their entire lives they can have it all, and their happiness is the most important thing in the universe, so most women hate the thought of having to give up anything or putting other people before themselves. Most relationships today are one-sided, so don’t be shocked when men shun marriage or take up pumping and dumping. That might sound harsh to some people, but most women did it to themselves.
Why should I give every ounce of my being for a woman when she is one bad mood away from tossing me onto the scrap heap? I have heard the horror stories from men who worked hard to provide for their families, only for it to mean nothing to their ungrateful ex-wives. I have seen men risk life and limb to protect women they loved, only to have the women in their lives leave them or forget about their sacrifices. It has been said men have obligations while women have options in our modern world, I and agree with that statement. Most women think the world is their oyster, and everyone should cater to them. Most men understand the world is a harsh place, and no one is going to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Most women have done an excellent job pissing away all the goodwill men had towards them. I look at women my age, and I realize almost none of them are relationship material. Their entitlement is through the roof. They almost never say “thank you.” They demand chivalry even though they think they should never have to return the favor. They have been told any man who stands up for himself is guilty of abuse. It really is too much to ask of most women to be pleasant, keep the house clean, take care of the kids, and realize a relationship isn’t the Disney fairy-tale which they have been brainwashed with since birth.
Nietzsche (presumably not the ghost of the real Nietzsche) is a bit more concise:
They saved their lives so the girlfriends can be screwing other dudes in several months time…….. probably much less. Heroism is a suckers game.
These two comments each got nearly two dozen upvotes, even though the thread is still young.
Some other highlights of the thread:
Peter South agrees with Nietzsche’s assessment, but expects the girlfriends to move on even more quickly:
These young women will don black for the rest of their lives to mourn and commemorate the passing of these great fallen heroes.
Well ok they’ll be twittering, texting and yakking on their “smart phones” within a week about other guys…
But I think we can all agree that men generally make great meat shields.
Phil, meanwhile, derides the heroes as “suckers.”
Those boyfriends were suckers. These men were living in the past. The boyfriends were living in the 1700′s while modern day American women are living in feminist 2012. Modern day American women don’t live by the old social contract. The problem is men like these three don’t understand. These women will find new boyfriends and move on with their lives. The three men are dead. Gone forever. They died believing is something that doesn’t exist. It is tragic and disgusting.
Eric adds:
the grrlz who survived are probably moving on to the next cock even as we speak. And I’ll bet the types of guys they’re moving on to won’t be the type who’d take a bullet for them either.
Meanwhile, the lowest-rated comment in the thread, with more than two dozen downvotes and only 6 upvotes, is a comment from Georice81 praising the heroes, which starts off with:
The Bible says that there is no Greater Love than when a man gives up his life so that another man may live. I believe in this no matter what anyone may say, MRA or Feminist.
What these men did was heroic and defines what a true man should be. It isn’t a question of being a white knight. It is a question of being a brave man and a true man at that.
I guess the Spearheaders are only fans of traditionalism when it benefits them personally.
Like this:
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I think it’s a matter of him using the comic to share his exploration of the subject with his audience through a humorous lens. So yeah, a little of both, and most of the mockery seems self deprecating.
Awesome. Being fat has never been such an asset!
Y U NO LYK CHEETOS?!
Also, what is up with trolls (1) using misogyny (re: steele & ‘hysteria’) to prove they don’t hate women (2) devolving from half-ass attempt at creating a personality to OBVIOUS TROLL IS OBVIOUS (3) insist that they can ignore everything anyone says, stomp their feet on their way out, and insist that they’ve ‘won’ because no one has provided any kind of evidence against their already-thoroughly-refuted claims?
Why are there no MRAs willing to come here in good faith?
Wil, please fuck off back to Spearhead. There are no impassioned defenses of cowardice and selfishness for you to enjoy here.
“Stevei Wonder”
This one time I thought I saw Stevie Wonder in the elevator at the airport, but then I realized it was just Stevei. And then I pooped in my elevator/bed and kicked it out/down the elevator shaft because feminism.
Seriously, how drunk is this guy? I’ve had 3 margaritas and I’m still too sober to grok his perspective.
>.< What is this I don't even.. Haha..
“Have you confused your personas troll? Remember, you’re pretending to be a mostly blind gay man right now, so whining about how feminist women aren’t attractive in appearance to you is rather…well…hilarious. You fail at trolling and at life.”
On what planet has there *not* been scores of gay men assessing women’s attractiveness? Not this one. But … I agree he’s a faker.
Also.
This thread is funneh.
Wow, you guys throw a good party….especially when a troll wanders into the room. When Wil started to get, uh, disorientated, I kept thinking about the time a possum accidentally wandered into my garage and couldn’t find its way out.
BTW, last word I heard on that ‘urban young childless women make more than men’ study, wasn’t it comparing college-educated women to all men? More of a sign of the education gap than anything, swings the other way when you control for education?
Echidne had some stuff on that. Going to go look for it.
Ah, here.
http://echidneofthesnakes.blogspot.com/search?q=wage+gap
A possum had babies in my parent’s garage. A skunk got in there once, too, and it scared the crap out of me. When I saw it, I jumped, and it hissed at me. I closed my eyes and mouth to prepare for the spray attack, but it instead ran through my legs and out the garage door. I really got lucky on that one, because I would not want to take a tomato sauce bath.
One things for certain, women will never be accused of making sense by reading manboobz comments.
“I really got lucky on that one, because I would not want to take a tomato sauce bath.”
Those don’t even really work all that well. It reduces the smell but the stink can remain for months. You were very fortunate.
“I really got lucky on that one, because I would not want to take a tomato sauce bath.”
If you get skunk-sprayed, use this remedy instead of tomato juice —
http://home.earthlink.net/~skunkremedy/home/sk00001.htm
I had a dog that got skunked at least twice a summer. Learning this recipe (after three years using shampoo and baking soda) was a lifesaver.
But as you found out, skunks will usually try to escape instead of spray. Freezing in place was good strategy (although probably unplanned). If space and situation permits, taking a slow step — or a few — backwards can help diffuse the situation.
(I live rurally, and put out food for the feral cats. Skunks come to the dishes in the early to late evenings; I encounter them at least twice a month. So far, I’ve remained unsprayed, thanks to a combination of warning speech when I approach the shed — giving the skunks time to run — and freezing/stepping back if one of us miscalculates time or distance.)
StarWatcher (I couldn’t convince gravatar that I’m the same “starwatcher” as on other sites.)
NWO is accusing us of not making sense. That’s rich coming from him.
@strwatchr
Thanks for the link. That could come in handy if I ever have another run in with a skunk. And you guessed correctly, that me freezing was totally unplanned on my part. I only froze because I was in shock and scared of getting sprayed. I’m lucky that my instinct worked on that one.
Reading blog comments isn’t a very good way to accuse anyone of anything. You could make an accusation based on the content of blog comments, but that’s not what you said. Maybe you’re the one that doesn’t make a lot of sense, NWO.
I am kind of stuck in the middle , I do not believe women are with out rights, and I do understand men asking for more fairness in the court room’s .. I just think feminst and this blog go to extremes and the hateful rhetoric from both sides.
Hey, Joan Reynolds, is there anything you’d like to tell us all about yourself? Have we ever met you before?
One thing’s for certain: if Owly were accused of not making sense, his comments on Manboobz could well be used as Exhibit A.
Butthorn? Pell?
The guy who is using the same gravatar as wil?
PP
No wai. Wiltroll that is some lazy sockpuppeting right there.
Wil is now a middle of the road woman who sees that both sides are “just as bad” now. Cool.
Also what did I say about commas not being belly buttons?!!
Yeah, same IP as our friend Wil, along with the comma thing.
Gosh, I wonder if that means anything he said about himself as Wil might possibly be suspect.
Wil/Joan also tried to post under the name Macabe, promoting a really nasty blog full of personal attacks on specific feminist women, so Wil/Macabe/Joan is going on permanent moderation, maybe just a full ban, haven’t decided yet.
Damn it Wil, I don’t think this trolling thing is working out for you…
Feminst. That’s alm,ost as good as feminsit. Also, my brain initially tried to read it as a variation of Minsk, so apparently the feminist movement is now a city in Belarus.
(I should have put extra spaces around the comma for the full Wil effect. huh?)
@David Futrelle
“Yeah, same IP as our friend Wil, along with the comma thing. ”
At least I never try and pull a fast one! I think you got a lot more than just 1 person using the same IP. I find it hard to believe everyone here posts near identical drivel.
Slavey, you pull a fast one the minute you spout stories about spending time with friends and family. Only members Westboro Baptist Church would want to spend time with you.
Owly is onto us! At least he hasn’t yet figured out that we are ALL actually David Futrelle’s sockpuppets.
Oh, I didn’t mean to post that publicly. Oops.
I would reprimand you for giving us away, cloudiah, but seeing as how we’re both David Futrelle I see no point in doing that.
I will fully admit I am a sockpuppet of david (who is actually a cat).
Yep NWO, you’re onto us, we’re all David, it’s just like this -
Tulgey, let’s you and I get into an argument with each other. I mean, with ourselves. Since we’re both David, who is a very intelligent cat.
No, cloudiah! That would be a terrible idea.
Also, we’re really just moderately intelligent, it’s just that we’re very intelligent for a cat.
And we’re a cat with opposable thumbs:
I’m ok with being a cat. That beat being Owly. It also beat being a bee. (cf hive thingy)
(pssst, Owly, let me give you a hint. Normal people don’t do what you do. They don’t spend huge ammount of energy trolling places full of people they hate and who loathe them back. They go to places with people they like, people whom they share some ideas with, some ideals, even if they don’t all think the same. You should try it some times)
We strike at dawn.
“We’ve traced the commenters, they’re all coming from inside Futrelle’s house!”
Look, I’m just a straight male llama farmer in my 60s, but I’m just chiming in to say I agree with everything that Viscaria woman has to say. She seems smart and interesting, despite our different genders and backgrounds.
@bionicmommy — You’re welcome. Here’s hoping you never need to use it!
EXCUSE ME. I am top cat around here. Unless…did ya’ll launch a Revolution while I wasn’t looking. If so, I approve wholeheartedly.
I am top cat around here. - darksidecat
Now I have the Top Cat theme stuck in my head.
@darksidecat
No, you’re the side cat, it’s like right in your name.
I was under the impression that feminists hated chivalry? What is sacrificing your own life for a woman if not the ultimate act of chivalry? These men who believe that the men who were killed were “suckers” are in fact espousing a feminist viewpoint…if you accept that chivalry is a sexist relic of patriarchal privilege & these men died whilst acting in a chivalrous manner, by feminists standards they “got what was coming to them” & are indeed suckers. Why would a feminist shed tears over the death of a man acting in a sexist manner?
After all, when a man helps a woman, he’s conforming to patriarchal type…when a woman helps a man ( I’m sure it happens occassionally ), she’s being altruistic, compassionate & considerate…traits that we all know men don’t possess.
We shed tears because a man died. Not hard to figure out.
And he died because someone else decided to start shooting at people. They didn’t just take a bullet, the bullet didn’t just magically come from nowhere. A PERSON intent on murder fired that bullet and achieved their goal.
There aren’t many feminists out there arguing that men don’t have empathy or compassion. Most of us argue that the current culture frequently prevents men from being able to show their kindness and compassion. And that it really squelches a man ability to reach out to others to receive in like and kind, thus diminishing their ability to give.
Please tell us more about feminism, dgm. You are clearly an expert in the subject.
While I concede that as a straight guy, I too have had the romantic impulses to do what these guys did, when I was still young years ago, I can say with the benefit of hindsight that those poor “heroes” got a raw deal: they sacrificed their chance to continue existing through the biological children they could have had with the girls they died protecting ,so that other men would be able to get the same chance to do so with those very same girls…
*unless they already had said biological children with said girls…
“Most of us argue that the current culture frequently prevents men from being able to show their kindness and compassion. And that it really squelches a man ability to reach out to others to receive in like and kind, thus diminishing their ability to give.”
Because not all men are of the Hippy Jesus type. We can’t all be SNAG’s …
I fail to see why what these guys said was wrong. There’s a lot of disgusting shit MRAs say that’s quoteded on this site, but this I am in total agreement with.
Oh look, a couple trolls came down with a case of lastworditis. :’(
Gross. There is more to life than passing on your genes.