Again with the 14-year-old girls
Was Aqualung a Men's Rights Redditor?
So a bunch of the regulars on Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit have their collective knickers in a twist about dudes getting called “pedophiles” just for saying they think 14-year old girls are hot. Because that’s “ephebephilia,” dontchaknow, not pedophilia! And besides, thingsarebad argues
Normal heterosexual males will generally have sexual attraction for pubescent females of child-bearing age, from puberty till they start to get old and gross (late 20s, early 30s usually haha).
That’s pretty much “eww.” But so is the rest of the discussion, really, from this “joke” about all women being as immature as children to this heavily upvoted claim that feminists have created a “pedo-scare … to criminalize healthy and normal male sexuality,” to this Evo-Psych-flavored argument for lowering the age of consent.
Is it just me or are dudes who get indignant when people don’t carefully distinguish between ephebephilia and pedophilia just really really creepy?
Is “the right to lust after underage girls without having to feel icky about it” really a Men’s Rights issue? Why this preoccupation with 14-year-old girls, on r/mensrights and Reddit generally?
Posted on August 28, 2011, in creepy, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, rapey, reddit, statutory rape apologists. Bookmark the permalink. 364 Comments.
TAB, I don’t give a damn what you or anyone else looks like. I care about the quality of their arguments. In the original post, you said that pubescent girls are attractive to “normal heterosexual men”, and the other posters chimed in saying it’s natural for adult men to have relationships with 13 and 14 year old girls, because they’re able to physically bear children. The argument is ridiculous. Girls start menstruation as young as 8 years old. Just because a girl is physically mature enough to carry a pregnancy to term does not mean she is emotionally and mentally ready for sex, especially with a much older man.
Men that pursue young girls like that are predators, or vice versa when the genders are flipped. Predators pursue young teens, because they tend to be naive and easy to manipulate. It’s good for governments to put predators in jail, so it can deter other adults from becoming predators.
TAB, the picture of you shows a self identifed wannabe child rapist. That, and that alone, makes it creepy. David has never posted screeds about how it is natural and right to want to rape children.
I can tell nothing from a picture. I can tell much more from your actual words.
Looks completely verify your arguments. Every intellectual knows that.
I never knew this trick of arguing before, TAB. Now I can just link to (warning, NSFW) this every time I want to win an argument! That will make arguing much easier.
Am I the only person who looks at TAB’s name and thinks “temporarily able-bodied”?
I think of pink cans of diet cola.
Seriously, two threads? Two threads of Things Are Bad posting his picture and expecting everyone to… I don’t even know what. Tell you that you’re pretty? Reconsider our ideas about feminism and whole-sale rejection of thoroughly debunked, evo-psych bullshit because you’re squinting? And wearing what appear to be knock-off Ray Bans?
What am I missing?
TAB A is hoping to find SLOT B?
@ozymandias42:
1) Nope, I keep thinking “temporarily able-bodied” too.
2) DAT ASS
I feel a little creepy perving on Ozy’s pictures, what with the age difference.
Also, between the hurricane, watching Wasn’t That a Time last week, and this thread, I have “Goodnight Irene” stuck in my head.
“That’s pretty much “eww.”” Perfect phrase, nothing more to say.
Heavily upvoted? That comment has 9 karma. Are you new to the internet? Do you need help?
i personally agree that there should be a distinction between pedophilia and ephebophilia, and not because i am trying to bag some 14 year olds, but because i don’t think half of the population’s sexuality should be stigmatized. I have never had sex with someone below the age of consent, and I don’t plan on doing it, but I also don’t want society to think of me, and every other normal man, as EVIL, just for having the capacity to find teenagers good looking. Is that so crazy and hard to understand?
I think it’s safe to say that less than 200 years ago this was a pretty normal thing. In fact, in many parts of the world, if not most, it still is. That doesn’t make it right at all.
Used to be that fathers sold their daughters off for brood mares at puberty to escape the cost of a mouth to feed. They usually sold the girls to older (old) men. The norm of society was essentially what’s illegal today. WHY?
Because it was HARM!!!
It is perfectly biologically natural for an adult male to see a decently developed girl from afar and mistake her for an of-age woman, and to acknowledge consciously an attraction. It is an entirely different matter to entertain the ethical (moral) nature of this attraction beyond that point once the male is up close enough to recognize the true age of the girl in question.
I will not deny the natural attraction that all men have when mistaken. This is known as “good from far, far from good.”
I will say that this from-far attraction should end as the distance closes. At that point it is just as NATURAL to feel a quick sickness in the pit of the stomach and to feel shame for having so easily mistaked a younger female for an adult female.
Life is full of mistakes and “false peeps”. The trick of the SANE male is to recognize some abnormal -philia, and differentiate it from what these perverts claim proudly to be a normal sexual preference.
They are sick bastards to say it’s not stomach turning and shameful when such a mistake is made from afar by a normal adult male.
But they aren’t normal adult males, are they?
@jimmythegreeksghost Uhm no. It is by no means a normal biological reaction to feel sick in the stomach upon seeing young girls up close. That’s just you guilt tripping yourself.
Morals or ethics are not a biological construct, they are a societal construct. Our lizard brain does not care about emotional development or date of birth. It looks for visible sexual characteristics and upon finding them, will signal sexual attraction. That’s all there is to it.
Evolution wise, emotional development only came into the picture rather recently. For the past million or so years it did not matter. Animals don’t have to have “the talk” with their parents first before starting to copulate. They just do. Our sexual instincts still hail from that time.
Now obviously, having a big n bulky brain and everything, we can choose not to act on those attractions. And I’d certainly agree that we shouldn’t. It doesn’t quite deserve the hysteria people make about it, but it’s certainly problematic.
But that doesn’t mean you have to feel bad about having those attractions. They are indeed normal. And that’s not just me saying this; according to the American Psychiatric Association, Ephebophilia is neither registered as a mental disorder nor as a paraphila. And that describes the *preference* for teens, the mere presence of attraction doesn’t even warrant it’s own name. It’s not even considered to be odd.